ptarmigan Posted July 15, 2009 Share #1 Posted July 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any news or rumour about new firmware on the horizon? Any thoughts on what it might add and will it be for both models? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Hi ptarmigan, Take a look here New M8/8.2 firmware?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jplomley Posted July 16, 2009 Share #2 Posted July 16, 2009 Would love to have auto-bracketing, programmable in +/- 0.5 stops of shutter speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 16, 2009 Share #3 Posted July 16, 2009 I would like the option to have the auto preview on the LCD be 3 seconds of the whole picture... Then zoom into the picture to the size of the focus patch so you could review focus for another 3 seconds... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted July 16, 2009 Share #4 Posted July 16, 2009 Choice of lenses in menu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted July 16, 2009 To be honest, I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a list of 'wants'. Just wondered if there was any advance notice or rumour of if anyone could make an informed guess. I suspect that Leica is making quite a lot of profit from coding lenses and so there is little incentive to offer 'lens setting'. I could maybe see auto bracketing for the 8.2 but unless Leica stops producing the M8 there would seem little benefit to them offering to bring the M8 up close to M8.2 specs though with the 'rebate' offer gone the price of the two bodies is much closer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 16, 2009 Share #6 Posted July 16, 2009 AFAIK there is not a new firmware anywhere in the future. There has not been any talk about one on any forum or interview with Leica reps. Just what do you want. For me the latest firmware give me everything I needed or wanted out of the M8. Other then lens FL & f/stop choice in the menu system what else could be added? Even if they added that I'd still code my lenses to the closest choice available just so I wouldn't have to fool with menus. EDIT: I want a M digital camera that is not anything like a digital SLR or P&S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I doubt Leica are making very much profit at all from coding lenses. The logistical hassles of all these lenses coming in, the booking in, tracking, invoicing, payment, shipping, lost lenses, complaints, SNAFUs are all the stuff of nightmares. Then there's the cost of the bayonet ring and fitting it. I still hope Leica will adopt my suggestion of shorter auto power-off delay options which opens the possbility of longer battery life but I doubt there's much else in the firmware pipeline. There was a rumour of yet more lenses coming (though I think the current portfolio is already quite crowded) which would force a new firmware upgrade. I expect Leica now regard the M8/8.2 as a done deal and their attention is now focussed on what is going to occupy us in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted July 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted July 16, 2009 There is one I would really want, that is the ability to set the minimum shutter speed of Auto Iso higher than 1/125th. Don't know why they put this limitation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 16, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 16, 2009 There is one I would really want, that is the ability to set the minimum shutter speed of Auto Iso higher than 1/125th. Don't know why they put this limitation. Simply that setting is just the trigger to raise the ISO. It has nothing to do with the actual shutter speed used. IMHO they used that speed so any normal lens that may be used on the M8, 18-90mm, would still be equal to or at least one speed/stop higher then the recommended standard. I would think most users that use Auto ISO regularly would have it set even lower. If you can get 1/250 at any of the fully usable ISO speeds, 160-640, why would you even want to use Auto ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted July 16, 2009 AFAIK there is not a new firmware anywhere in the future. There has not been any talk about one on any forum or interview with Leica reps. Just what do you want. For me the latest firmware give me everything I needed or wanted out of the M8. Other then lens FL & f/stop choice in the menu system what else could be added? Even if they added that I'd still code my lenses to the closest choice available just so I wouldn't have to fool with menus. EDIT: I want a M digital camera that is not anything like a digital SLR or P&S Not sure that there us much I want, I guess auto exposure bracketing would be nice and the ability to have a full size histogram (like the immediate review one) for playback and of course the lens coding. I don't think the M8 could ever be described as being anything like a dslr or P&S I doubt Leica are making very much profit at all from coding lenses. The logistical hassles of all these lenses coming in, the booking in, tracking, invoicing, payment, shipping, lost lenses, complaints, SNAFUs are all the stuff of nightmares. Then there's the cost of the bayonet ring and fitting it........... ............. I expect Leica now regard the M8/8.2 as a done deal and their attention is now focussed on what is going to occupy us in the future. I can't see any logic behind 'lens coding' unless Leica is making money from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iansky Posted July 16, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 16, 2009 I was under the impression that following the release of the M8.2 and the last firmware update, Leica had announced there would be no future firmware updates offered? So it begs the questions, is this purely rumour, speculation or a desire for endless "wish lists" in the hope Leica will listen and react. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted July 16, 2009 Share #12 Posted July 16, 2009 Simply that setting is just the trigger to raise the ISO. It has nothing to do with the actual shutter speed used. IMHO they used that speed so any normal lens that may be used on the M8, 18-90mm, would still be equal to or at least one speed/stop higher then the recommended standard. I would think most users that use Auto ISO regularly would have it set even lower. If you can get 1/250 at any of the fully usable ISO speeds, 160-640, why would you even want to use Auto ISO. Sometimes I prefer to be at ISO320 1/250th or even ISO640/500th then ISO160, 1/125th. When shooting people in the street, 1/125th will have some motion blur in many cases, especially when you are also on the move. Moreover, on a sunny day, the camera can get tricked with shadows and lower the speed to keep low ISO's. 1/250th or even 1/500th limit would get a higher percentage of sharp pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted July 16, 2009 I don't think the M8 could ever be described as being anything like a dslr or P&S I can't see any logic behind 'lens coding' unless Leica is making money from it. Right but others on this forum want so much included in the firmware that the menu system would start to look like any DSLR or P&S out there. Coding has nothing to do with making money. Coding is needed for the camera to SEE what lens is attached and to make corrections for it, if it's needed. Just think what would of happened if NO coding was planned and implimented from the start of the M8 project. We would all be dumping or never bought the M8 because all our images would have either cyan corners or magenta/purple blacks. They had to offer coding on current, and sold before the M8 was in the works, and older lenses for the same reason as above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 16, 2009 Share #14 Posted July 16, 2009 Sometimes I prefer to be at ISO320 1/250th or even ISO640/500th then ISO160, 1/125th. When shooting people in the street, 1/125th will have some motion blur in many cases, especially when you are also on the move. Moreover, on a sunny day, the camera can get tricked with shadows and lower the speed to keep low ISO's. 1/250th or even 1/500th limit would get a higher percentage of sharp pictures. I hate to say it but isn't that the photographers fault/duty? Shouldn't he know what shutter & ISO speed he should be using to get the type of shots he wants given the conditions he is in. Auto ISO is nice if you need it, IE in and out of daylight regularly during one shooting session. I use the feature once in a while but I haven't used it in months. No need and I'd rather be in control of both the ISO and shutter speed. To each there own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted July 16, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 16, 2009 I hate to say it but isn't that the photographers fault/duty? Shouldn't he know what shutter & ISO speed he should be using to get the type of shots he wants given the conditions he is in. Auto ISO is nice if you need it, IE in and out of daylight regularly during one shooting session. A few points to answer : - I prefer to focus on seeing the shot coming and framing than exposure. I'll leave that to the camera, especially since new features such as Auto-Iso have appeared. Owning also a Epson R-D1 where ISO is adjusted manually, I find the Auto Iso of the M8 to be liberating. - Paris being a city with large avenues, river, small streets, monuments, etc (like any city ....) the light conditions are always changing. You can be shooting one second a passerby at 1/2000th ISO160 and the next second you see something interesting in the shadows of a terrace and speeds decreases to 1/125th ISO640. Auto-Iso takes care of most of these situations without having to worry about it. Imagine entering the menu system to raise the ISO and turn the speed dial until exposure is spot on ... you'll lose too many shots doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 16, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 16, 2009 I was under the impression that following the release of the M8.2 and the last firmware update, Leica had announced there would be no future firmware updates offered? So it begs the questions, is this purely rumour, speculation or a desire for endless "wish lists" in the hope Leica will listen and react. I think you nailed it. This will simply turn into another of those endless threads detailing what everyone wants, or doesn't want, on the next digital M. I see no useful purpose in encouraging rumours by asking if anyone has heard any recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted July 16, 2009 Share #17 Posted July 16, 2009 I was under the impression that following the release of the M8.2 and the last firmware update, Leica had announced there would be no future firmware updates offered?... That's not my understanding. I believe they meant there would be no M8.3, M8.4, etc releases in the future. Firmware updates weren't part of the discussion and may come from time to time. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted July 16, 2009 I think you nailed it. This will simply turn into another of those endless threads detailing what everyone wants, or doesn't want, on the next digital M. I see no useful purpose in encouraging rumours by asking if anyone has heard any recently. I consider myself ticked off. I can't be held responsible for the dreaded 'wish list' appearing again. Perhaps I should go off and do something more interesting then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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