gumshoecamus Posted November 12, 2006 Share #41 Posted November 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The real sleeper of MF backs is the CFV. None of us can figure out how the files can be so good from a 16 meg back. They really got that one right, right out of the gate. hey marc I bought one of the early CFVs in the UK and until firmware 166 was released it was terrible. then it was good and now -- apart from some teething with FC 4.6.4 -- it is excellent. with careful processing of the DNGs in raw developer, I am getting lovely, MF film-like iso 1600 shots. dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mwilliamsphotography Posted November 12, 2006 Share #42 Posted November 12, 2006 Dave, ours was one of the first ones in the US, and it was steller from day one. I wonder what firmwear mine is? I'll have to look. What teething problems on the new softwear version? I just loaded it today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumshoecamus Posted November 12, 2006 Share #43 Posted November 12, 2006 hi marc im using it on an intel mac (gulp) but everything seems great and IQ is improved a lot, but the back won't write to CF cards anymore. have tried several cards, formatted and unformatted. tethered is fine. reported problem to hassy UK and the yahoo flexframe group. bit annoying, but the improvement to noise and detail is great. i suspect the improvements are largely down to decreasing the running temp of the chip. have you tried dngs in raw developer ? hard to match flexcolor's colour performance, especially for greens and blues, but I think it often brings out more tone and detail. dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoteca Posted November 12, 2006 Share #44 Posted November 12, 2006 Well i can barely get my work done because of all the chatter about this . Okay I know there is a ton of frustration , disapointment and money on the line. Trust me I know this because i am looking at one in my office and it NEEDS to work. By Monday night would be nice too. I know this board has gone from estatic to upset to kill the messenger to blame this on someone and anyone will be freaking be fine. Than back to will they will fix it to i lost faith and pissed off to a crap lets' make it work to back to hating everyone that has a Leica name attached to it and pretty soon I will get blamed for trying to get this working. This is a freaking see saw . let's put the energy into owners go out and try stuff, to engineers make some suggestions and try to postively help someone without being asked to the trolls to go piss off and leave us alone so we can come with a fix to get the 100's of people that have one in there hand to having them on order to having them on hold and to the ones that gave up. Can we get past the BS and move on to making it work today and hope there is a fix real soon to solve the issue. Take my word for it if I have the last ounce of life I will get this sucker to perform and hold Leica to fix it , So lets take the same attitude and help move forward some how and get past the crap. We are all leica friendly but it is falling apart, Okay there is a problem do you just give up in your life when you have a problem. No let's grow up and make the best of this. My cheer for the day, the motivational speech , the oh crap Guy fell off the wagon to anything but what we are reading. I feel better do you. Okay hate me , dispise me and think I am freaking nuts, I am but let's move on Okay that was a rant and I am sure I will get a note from Allan but let's move forward people this is starting to look like baby land. Now i am going back to work:D Hello Guy, nice posting. Hype and hystery seem to be very cloth to each other. I've got my M8 and will - as there are still other cameras to work with - calmly start to get close to it, to know, what it is able to do with. I believe, that Leica will work something out, that is better solution than filter. And if - what I fear to be happen - it is a Kodak-bug, that will be fixed too. In this moment (and next two weeks either) we will be on us (excuse my horrible English). Those, who fear magenta, will learn to use C1 or something else. So they should spend their time by trying and getting better. That M8 costs some bucks, was well known before. That in this case of revolutionary change from film to sensor could and should occure some difficulties - that should also have been clear. I started in beauty coloured autumn with my new M8 and had (under real hard circumstances) a good job to do in a high-class-neon-lighted star-kitchen - and is was marvellous working with this camera. I will not forget my film-cameras, but when this goes on like that - they will have hard stand against the M8. (Once again - excuse my English - I'm not used to use it since school) Keep on Guy - and I read with great pleasure some of your posts (and think, even me, I learned a lot) Manfred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoteca Posted November 12, 2006 Share #45 Posted November 12, 2006 I think that should read "which you really need". All that lovely glass you have and you're covering it with with IR window blinds. I can see how you'd need something to cheer you up No use killing yourself for a fix, leica will get there soon enough, Forget about it! The glass will never be the solution. If Leica will stay Leica, they will find a solution at the stae of the art. I'm sure, they know about the challenge. Relax! Even Rome has not been destroyed in one only day. (or was it "built"?) There are two ridiculous short weeks between the very happy few to announce the arrival of their M8 - and now we seem to be near of the end of the world? At the beginning I loved it and it reminded me of little children waiting impaciently for Santa Clause - now it has the bad odour of disappointed lovers. Manfred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_peter_m Posted November 12, 2006 Share #46 Posted November 12, 2006 So, what, is tomorrow "Go out and have fun with your M8" Day??? I'm in. I would say so, there has been a lot of picking apart on the M8 over the last view days and I think going out and having fun will bring a lot back into perspective. Just my opinion, I don't have a M8 but it sure saddens me seeing a lot of people getting all worked up over it. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted November 12, 2006 Share #47 Posted November 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) My God, the number of angry people posting in this forum (many for the first time) Don't know about the rest of the newbies, but I was invited by one of your regulars leads me to believe that the dpreview server has melted down and the restless masses have found a new place to play. By dpReview standards, Leica is small potatoes. You don't run 1/100 the volume of a good Nikon/Canon slugfest.. Thanks Guy for your attempt to calm the waters. Larry Agreed. Thanks, Guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #48 Posted November 12, 2006 Joseph glad to see you over here helping out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted November 12, 2006 Share #49 Posted November 12, 2006 For the record, I put my $4800 + tax & S/H up for a camera. I recognize the faults reported here, and went into the purchase eyes wide open. Why - because I believe Leica will do the right thing to support their customers. Unfortunately my camera arrived with a broken shutter and I had to send it back to the retailer, who has promised a full refund. They stated that a refund was more likely to put a camera in my hands, as they had no second unit, and no more have been ordered. When I get my refund, I will put my money on the counter again, and I hope that I will be able to find another unit so that I have a very nice, new camera for use this holiday season. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted November 12, 2006 Share #50 Posted November 12, 2006 BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at last the right spirit in the right direction! let's work on it. People who are not willing to make constructive crisitics and observations should leave this place as they do not help at all fixing problems. People who have M8 are logically the best person to make testing, but other like me who have not got an M8 can surely help trying post production tuning of raw files made by M8 owners. Let's work on it and post test results. Is filtering not a solution? maybe not maybe yes, what result do we get? is it ok? YES? then Leica sees that when doing this and that plus a bit of this and that we get the result we want. So from there they can try to simplify the process to obtain the result we need, whether updating firmware or hardware. Let's work on it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastdap@mac.com Posted November 12, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 12, 2006 perhaps i'm the eternal optimist but before i recieved a questioning call from a fellow leica user about the m8 "problems" yesterday afternoon, i had already shot two jobs; a portrait in monterey on last saturday and a session yesterday documenting a world class classical dancer in malibu. both were illuminated entirely by daylight, one exterior, one intrerior, both faultless! i'm certainly not trying to extend the frustration, and i fully acknowledge the widespread problems being experienced and expressed here and elsewhere, but wanted to express my sheer joy in finally being able to slap a noctilux on a leica digital m body and shoot what is so familiar but now with a digital workflow. the m cameras have never been all things to all people; we have never been able to see through a lens, never able to see perspective or dof. we have never had auto-focus and until recently never had auto-exposure. i am staggered with joy over the m8 and yes, leica will have a fix, i know these people, give them some time. by the way, a filter fix is not acceptable to me as i always shoot wide open (f 1.0) which, with the fairly high lowest iso of 160, requires that i use an nd9 filter. sorry for the optimism but with it's faults, i'm still thrilled and optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #52 Posted November 12, 2006 You know Eric you just said something that made me think about uploading raw test files for folks that want to work on raw processing and PS stuff and maybe find a few answers or simply get them ready . Hmmm Thoughts on that anyone. I mean we can always use YouSendIt: The Leader in File Delivery. but that is just to individuals and that gets to be a pain. Oh well I just figured something else out not sure anyone tried flash yet. The SF 24 works on TTL and actually it is pretty neat, too bad the head don't move but on the Metz 54 with the 3502 module it does not on TTL , A mode fine just like the DMR. Anyone help me on that one. reading the manual is certainly the last thing i want to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 12, 2006 Share #53 Posted November 12, 2006 You know Eric you just said something that made me think about uploading raw test files for folks that want to work on raw processing and PS stuff and maybe find a few answers or simply get them ready . Hmmm Thoughts on that anyone. I mean we can always use YouSendIt: The Leader in File Delivery. but that is just to individuals and that gets to be a pain. Oh well Yousendit is not a bad solution. Send the file to the first person who asks. You and they will each get an email with a link. Post the link. It's even ecologically sound, because the file will go away and the link will cease to work in one week. I've got an edited collection of about a dozen interesting contributed M8 files, would be happy to look at more of them. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 12, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 12, 2006 Guy--at least send me some of your flash stuff as DNG so I can see if the profile takes care of the magenta stuff ' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #55 Posted November 12, 2006 Let me shoot some of that I just shot the luggage again last night if you want that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted November 12, 2006 Share #56 Posted November 12, 2006 I just figured something else out not sure anyone tried flash yet. The SF 24 works on TTL and actually it is pretty neat, too bad the head don't move but on the Metz 54 with the 3502 module it does not on TTL , A mode fine just like the DMR. Anyone help me on that one. reading the manual is certainly the last thing i want to do Guy, On the back of the 3502 foot thre is a door, behind it there is a switch labled "GN". For my 44MZ-2 to work in "gnc" mode with my D2 the swich has to be set to "GN" and the flash set to "TTL" on the lcd display. Same as the SF24 has to be switched to TTL/GNC. Please excuse the quality of the illustration photo - not at all representative of the C-Lux 1. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! - Carl Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! - Carl ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9019-enough/?do=findComment&comment=91560'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #57 Posted November 12, 2006 Carl , thank you very much . Just saved me from actually reading the manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 12, 2006 Share #58 Posted November 12, 2006 HEY !!!! Can an IR filter be placed on a flash head? Would that do anything? My main problem will be shooting weddings which always require at least fill flash at the receptions. This would eliminate some of the issues for me. Need technoid opinions please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #59 Posted November 12, 2006 Man Marc you read my mind. I asked the same question , I got a no but maybe someone else might have insight to that as well. I have a PR event shoot tomorrow night , so I am at least going to try this out for real. But the DMR will be primary until i get this all figured out. But i was walking around the house last night with the Metz and it was working really wel on the A mode will try TTL laterl. BTW the shoe is tight as a drum on the M8 , so i took a file to the flash hot shoe and filed it down a little and it is much better to go on and off. The DMR is also very tight. Also for SF 24 users it is a little tight but to get it off easier I found pushing down a little did the trick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 12, 2006 Share #60 Posted November 12, 2006 Marc, You can put an IR filter on a flash head, though I don't know if anyone sells dichroic filters big enough for this. The problem, of course, is that if you're shooting groups or receptions, the folks in the background (esp. if you're dragging the shutter) will be illuminated by tungsten or ambient, and will therefore exhibit color shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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