jonoslack Posted June 12, 2009 Share #61 Posted June 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Andy thank you for the information - an interesting read, although nothing is really clarified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #62 Posted June 12, 2009 So there might be hope after all. In the meantime, one can use R lenses on Canon via adapter, and on Nikon & Pentax via the great Leitax adapter - I adapted 3 lenses and I am going to modify my 4th soon, and it works great (though in stop-down metering). He guaranteed a good solution, according to our source in the room with him. What he DIDN'T say was that it wouldn't have a Leica name on the front... just not made by Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 12, 2009 Share #63 Posted June 12, 2009 Funny that nobody picked up on this - to me, if the translation is right, etc etc, this sounds quite obviously like "there will be ... made digital R camera" (fill the dots with your favorite manufacturer). Otherwise, why specifying "Leica made" when he could have said just "there will be no digital R camera" - period? So there might be hope after all. In the meantime, one can use R lenses on Canon via adapter, and on Nikon & Pentax via the great Leitax adapter - I adapted 3 lenses and I am going to modify my 4th soon, and it works great (though in stop-down metering). I think any "good" solution for R lenses requires auto diaphragm and open aperture metering... equivalent to Nikon AIS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #64 Posted June 12, 2009 Hang on... late news just in "S.D. said that the R solution will NOT be by next Fotokina. That would be too ambitious." Makes me wonder what happened to all the spill down benefits of Project AFrika... Times are hard, though. They can't do everything that they may have wanted to do 2 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #65 Posted June 12, 2009 I think any "good" solution for R lenses requires auto diaphragm and open aperture metering... equivalent to Nikon AIS... We already have work round solutions for R glass. The Leica solution MUST be better than what is on offer today, otherwise why spend a single Euro on developing it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted June 12, 2009 Share #66 Posted June 12, 2009 He guaranteed a good solution, according to our source in the room with him. What he DIDN'T say was that it wouldn't have a Leica name on the front... just not made by Leica... There are very few companies who would fit the bill. Nikon and Canon are obviously out, and I doubt that Sony would get involved, given their deal with Zeiss. I suspect that Pentax is also out, since they have their own lineup of primes. I can only imagine that the partnership with Panasonic will yield a FF DSLR which has some kind of intelligent adapter for the manual focus R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #67 Posted June 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) There are very few companies who would fit the bill. Nikon and Canon are obviously out, and I doubt that Sony would get involved, given their deal with Zeiss. I suspect that Pentax is also out, since they have their own lineup of primes. I can only imagine that the partnership with Panasonic will yield a FF DSLR which has some kind of intelligent adapter for the manual focus R lenses. A G10, maybe...? I picked up a G1 for the first time today. Bloody awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 12, 2009 Share #68 Posted June 12, 2009 Hang on... late news just in "S.D. said that the R solution will NOT be by next Fotokina. That would be too ambitious." Makes me wonder what happened to all the spill down benefits of Project AFrika... Times are hard, though. They can't do everything that they may have wanted to do 2 years ago. Chances are, after 2 years ... people will forget about it after all then they're naturally off the hook. I think it's time to move on ... why would Leica still bother to provide a solution to an already discontinued system after 2 years? makes no sense at all. I wonder what will happen to the M sooner or later, especially when you think it's more primitive than the R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 12, 2009 Share #69 Posted June 12, 2009 We already have work round solutions for R glass. The Leica solution MUST be better than what is on offer today, otherwise why spend a single Euro on developing it? Is the "R solution" a "Leica solution" at all? The Portfolio of Leica digital products will be very small: the old M8 (old electronics-sensor components) and the new S2 (but its target market is 10.000 units...); then compact cameras and binoculars... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 12, 2009 Share #70 Posted June 12, 2009 otherwise why spend a single Euro on developing it? May be it's only their "idea" at the moment, they probably don't have anything on the drawing board at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 12, 2009 Share #71 Posted June 12, 2009 We already have work round solutions for R glass. The Leica solution MUST be better than what is on offer today, otherwise why spend a single Euro on developing it? Andy, by work round, do you mean mounting on a Canon body. Do they offer open aperture metering and auto-diagphragm? What else is missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 12, 2009 Share #72 Posted June 12, 2009 A G10, maybe...? I picked up a G1 for the first time today. Bloody awful. IMHO, not bad for the £395 I paid for it... though I don't think Leica will go to Panasonic for an R lens platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #73 Posted June 12, 2009 Andy, by work round, do you mean mounting on a Canon body. Do they offer open aperture metering and auto-diagphragm? What else is missing? AFAIK, you have to stop down meter when putting R glass on ANY other maker's body. Not something I have ever looked into - maybe I need to do so a bit more seriously now. The Nikon mount things look interesting - I could never see myself buying a Canon. Never liked them from the AE-1 onwards... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wls.shanghai Posted June 12, 2009 Share #74 Posted June 12, 2009 Andy thank you very much for the news ticker better & faster than BBC very interesting wls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #75 Posted June 12, 2009 IMHO, not bad for the £395 I paid for it... When you are used to looking through an R8 viewfinder, something like the G1 viewfinder makes you wonder how anyone can take a photograph with the thing. We've been spoiled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 12, 2009 Share #76 Posted June 12, 2009 IMHO, not bad for the £395 I paid for it... though I don't think Leica will go to Panasonic for an R lens platform. I think Panasonic isn't interested at all... For Leica it would be OK... They would sell the mount to Panasonic and forget the R system...why not? But Panasonic is thinking at this moment on video cameras, broadcasting and consumer photo cameras... The only chance is if Panasonic sees something interesting in the 24x36 format, for future photo/video products. But even Sony or Canon are not sure about the way to follow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted June 12, 2009 Share #77 Posted June 12, 2009 Personally, I see no reason for Leica to keep making the M system. The M camera was special until the digital revolution made small cameras that can take 10mpxl images. The M was defined by its size, quiet shutter and excellent images. All of that is available now by 6-8 different companies making compact digital cameras. What possible advantage does an M camera have in today's image market? None except the ability to change glass but even that advantage is mitigated by the quality of the new lenses and the quality of the software. The M is an abacus in a computer world. For Leica to keep moving forward they need to do something that distances themselves from their competition and the M isn't it. So, all of you that are happy and expecting Leica to keep making the M over evolving the R, are in my mind, signing the death warrant for Leica as a viable manufacturer of camera equipment. They need to improve and expand on the ff digital SLR market with a new digital R10 and compete in the professional market with their S2. Any more funds put into the M are funds that they should give to charity or improve the two lines that can help them. The S and the R. GD Whalen Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 12, 2009 Share #78 Posted June 12, 2009 Personally, I see no reason for Leica to keep making the M system. The M camera was special until the digital revolution made small cameras that can take 10mpxl images. The M was defined by its size, quiet shutter and excellent images. All of that is available now by 6-8 different companies making compact digital cameras. What possible advantage does an M camera have in today's image market? None except the ability to change glass but even that advantage is mitigated by the quality of the new lenses and the quality of the software. The M is an abacus in a computer world. For Leica to keep moving forward they need to do something that distances themselves from their competition and the M isn't it. So, all of you that are happy and expecting Leica to keep making the M over evolving the R, are in my mind, signing the death warrant for Leica as a viable manufacturer of camera equipment. They need to improve and expand on the ff digital SLR market with a new digital R10 and compete in the professional market with their S2. Any more funds put into the M are funds that they should give to charity or improve the two lines that can help them. The S and the R. GD Whalen Photography The M system is unique. Super small and 24x36 native format... Conventional reflex systems will be in trouble in a few years from now... Look at how fast mirrorless systems and video systems are evolving... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #79 Posted June 12, 2009 Gary - have you read this thread? The M is the only unique camera out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 12, 2009 Share #80 Posted June 12, 2009 Yes, it's a pity it sounds like we will not get a true Leica entry level DSLR. A top drawer viewfinder was one of the potential USPs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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