the.ant Posted May 22, 2009 Share #1 Posted May 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) It might be a bit random, because I haven't thought it all through, but I would be curious what you think. Some suggestions to improve the picture forums: I like browsing the pictures here, but I don't like the categories. Sometimes I feel the urge to write: "this is a really bad picture, why are you posting this?" I don't, because I'm polite. Plus, I've posted bad pictures myself as well, and there might be even reasons to to so. But if only positive feedback is given, it get's a bit boring, plus it leaves the impression that no feedback equals bad feedback. But I think that's not neccessarily the case, I often browse through the forum and enjoy the pictures but don't give feedback either. They are not bad, not great, just nice. I enjoy them, but I don't write anything. I think there different motivations to post a photo: you are really proud of it. It's a wonderful piece of art and you want to share/show off you think it's good, but maybe lacking a certain something and you would like to know what others think / how to improve it. you know it's a technically a bad picture, but it makes you smile because you like the motive, it was a humorous moment, or a forum member is in it, so you like to share it anyways you don't care about the motive, but you want to test and compare a certain lense/camera/film you are oblivious to whether it's technically good or artistic, you just like the picture. Just because we shoot with Leica doesn't mean that we all have to pretend to be HCB, right? and that's all in their own rights. IMHO, a community of "brilliant artists" is of equal horror as a group where everybody is posting random holiday snapshots. But it would be nice to declutter. 4. should be obvious. If we had a category for such pictures (test), we could build up an impressive archive over time, without the need to search through all the forums, when looking for examples of specific lenses. To put 3. (and maybe but not necessarily 5) in an own category (snapshot) would improve the overall quality of the thematic picture forums a great deal. Same holds for 2 (critique). If you post anything here, you expect honest crititque, from "I would crop 3mm on the left" to "This is an utterly dull piece of Kitsch". No hard feelings. That leaves 1 and 5, for the normal forums, I think that would already help a lot. Of course, some people might be inclined to post their pictures in several categories, because they want to share, but still would like constructive feedback. So, maybe new categories are not the way to go after all? Another possibility (although I don't know whether it's technically possible) might be to have (automatically) might be to have a checkbox when uploading a picture "I would like constructive feedback / I don't care for feedback / I want brutally honest feedback". Have a small icon as indication next to the picture and everyone knows what kind of comments to make, without offending anyone. Yet a third option to improve the picture forum might be to have a small "I like this" button next to every picture. That way, people could show their appreciation without the need to write redundant comments. Am I making any sense? Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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the.ant Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share #2 Posted May 24, 2009 so, no feedback is negative feedback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted May 26, 2009 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2009 This recent thread covered a number of the issues you are raising, including some similar suggestions. Did you have a chance to see it? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/about-leica-forum/85762-feedback-criticism.html Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted June 27, 2009 Share #4 Posted June 27, 2009 At least I'd like a thumbnail (like the Galley) and a different concept of the groups. They disperse too much now IMHO. albert1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_hutton Posted June 27, 2009 Share #5 Posted June 27, 2009 Tim I agree with you mostly, but with one caution. Written critique can often be read as unintentionally pernicious. Small differences of interpretation between the critic and subject can lead to unpleasant exchanges which, if both were in the same room, could be easily resolved I expect. Just a thought. Graeme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 2, 2009 Share #6 Posted July 2, 2009 I agree with you about the categories. I don't think they serve any useful purpose whatsoever. The temptation on the part of the viewer is to think, "Well, I don't really have an interest in architectural photography, so I'll just ignore that section and look only at the People section. The end result is that a lot of good photography is never even seen by members who tend to stick to one or two "more interesting" categories. I also think it would be good to enforce the rule of one post per person per day, with the exception of photo stories or series. I've been guilty myself of violating this limit, but what happens is that a small group of people tend to completely dominate the posts and push other images quickly off onto page 2 or 3 and into oblivion. Enforcing this rule should also lead to better editing on the part of the person doing the posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE Posted July 2, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 2, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Tim, In the time it took you to type out your original post you could have replied to at least a couple of photos constructively! I agree with you that it often gets boring when feedback remains positive--especially when it comes with the same words, great focus, nice comp, etc... I don't think retooling the categories will change anything...people who don't reply won't reply...there are those who are content to just look. Fine. I think it's up to the photographer to encourage replies (one way is to post interesting images). Ask questions about the photo, specific questions. I think you'll find people will respond. If a photo leaves me cold or just isn't that interesting I generally don't leave a response..a crop can change the dynamic immensely...if I see that I'll say it, otherwise... Post more photos and reply more to others' images. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 3, 2009 Share #8 Posted July 3, 2009 what happens is that a small group of people tend to completely dominate the posts and push other images quickly off onto page 2 or 3 and into oblivion. Got to agree here sometimes this can be in a matter of half an hour as some post comments on a dozen images, then the next person on a dozen others and so on. I hardly post now for that reason, it all becomes a waste of time.................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 3, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 3, 2009 I agree with Imants - though I still post images - perhaps people should be encouraged not to post more than say 5 or 6 comments per day to an individual sub-forum. I know that people who don't post many images can be grateful when they receive the 'great capture' kind of message, but they're clogging up the system - the responses, not the photographs. One simple solution, provided the software allows it, would be to increase the number of threads per page on the photo forums so that threads don't disappear from the first page so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 3, 2009 Share #10 Posted July 3, 2009 . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/85683-how-to-improve-the-picture-forum/?do=findComment&comment=951668'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 4, 2009 check the times between posts........ seems little is devoted to the image Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/85683-how-to-improve-the-picture-forum/?do=findComment&comment=952533'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2009 Share #12 Posted July 5, 2009 . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/85683-how-to-improve-the-picture-forum/?do=findComment&comment=953386'>More sharing options...
vdb Posted July 5, 2009 Share #13 Posted July 5, 2009 . Hey Pal, I comment on images I like, when I can. And that happens to be in a narrow window of time. I like to view many images...that means I go to pages 2,3 and 4 if I have missed them from days prior. What's so difficult about turning pages? "comment spam"?, you gotta problem with anger and aggression...and that's my professional opinion pal. BTW, I do look at your images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2009 Share #14 Posted July 5, 2009 It's very detrimental to the person who posts an image occasionally ( not worried about myself) who all of a sudden finds themselves on page 3 . No anger no aggression just pointing out what happens................ No one ever asked you to accept my opinion nor do I have to bow to your spam style of commenting on images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted July 5, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 5, 2009 Suggest: 1. we prevent the 'posts of appreciation for comments' from sending the thread back to the top of the Forum. Some contributors do this to the point that 60% of all posts on a thread are from the originator with the consequence that 7 or 8 other posters can be bumped onto page 2 and beyond. 2. Moderators pasting comments like "Excellent for tonal quality, composition, color, framing,....." on every bleedin' thread should be banned until they reach adulthood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted July 5, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 5, 2009 It's very detrimental to the person who posts an image occasionally ( not worried about myself) who all of a sudden finds themselves on page 3 . No anger no aggression just pointing out what happens................ No one ever asked you to accept my opinion nor do I have to bow to your spam style of commenting on images I make an effort to go to page 3 and seek out images I have missed, regardless of who it is that is posting. I usually start at the bottom of the page. I have my style, you have yours. How is this "detrimental"? "Spam" commenting suggests that I comment for the sake of cluttering the forum or disrupting some form of order. Since it is me you are talking about, I am compelled to clarify your misperception. Your method of making this point by listing my comment count and removing your image in the photo forum is aggressive. This is about you pal, let others speak for themselves. Finally, if the moderators have an issue with me I am open and available. From day one I have disclosed my full name and location in my profile for all members-like you- to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted July 5, 2009 Share #17 Posted July 5, 2009 Suggest: 1. we prevent the 'posts of appreciation for comments' from sending the thread back to the top of the Forum. Some contributors do this to the point that 60% of all posts on a thread are from the originator with the consequence that 7 or 8 other posters can be bumped onto page 2 and beyond. 2. Moderators pasting comments like "Excellent for tonal quality, composition, color, framing,....." on every bleedin' thread should be banned until they reach adulthood. #1 I agree with. Makes perfect sense. #2 however suggests that some comments are more worthy than others. Who decides this? Or better yet, how about leaving images in the order that they are first posted. Nothing changes the order. Leave it to the viewer to seek out older images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2009 Share #18 Posted July 5, 2009 The forum is not about you there are others to consider......... I figured you wouldn't see what the implications of machine gun spam commenting were and I doubt if I am the only one who sees this style of yours as a negative I doubt if I am your pal so why refer to me as your pal ......... otherwise I will have to call you "Spam the Clutterer":) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted July 5, 2009 Share #19 Posted July 5, 2009 #1 I agree with. Makes perfect sense.#2 however suggests that some comments are more worthy than others. Who decides this? . Individually written comments focussed on the image on hand are much more valuable than a Spammer using cut and paste, IMO. I'm not suggesting that some poster's comments are more welcome than others. I doubt that many will appreciate the C&P comments, but we could have a Poll to prove it. There is value in showing threads, rather than posts, in date sequence, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted July 5, 2009 Share #20 Posted July 5, 2009 Ok, so you would like to tell me and others how many times I may comment, when to comment and what I should say?Let's take a poll on that. The issue appears to be the right to be at the top page,so either we make it a contest or leave the threads in the order originally posted. But don't tell others how to comment. This implies you know better. Btw, "pal" is a figure of speach. In this case I was invoking reaction formation. Look it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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