kenneth Posted March 22, 2009 Share #21 Posted March 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes James but I am sure I hadn't dreamt it James, I had not dreamt it but I had mis read it. The book I am refering to is Leica M6TTL by Richard Hunecke from Hove books and I quote from chapter 1 on page 13 which reads as follows "The Leica M6 cannot be improved upon"- is the statement attributed to Luigi Colani, leading designer of ergonomically satisfying consumer goods So no I had not dreamt it but I had mis read it. Sorry to mislead anyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 Hi kenneth, Take a look here Suggestions on buying a Leica. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted March 22, 2009 Share #22 Posted March 22, 2009 "The Leica M6 cannot be improved upon"- is the statement attributed to Luigi Colani, leading designer of ergonomically satisfying consumer goods Errr, but does that mean he designed it? Couldn't he just be making a statement of his opinion as a "leading designer of ergonomically satisfying goods"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted March 23, 2009 Share #23 Posted March 23, 2009 Errr, but does that mean he designed it? Couldn't he just be making a statement of his opinion as a "leading designer of ergonomically satisfying goods"? No Steve I think he is just affirming, it was me that mis quoted from the book. But you can bet he got a freebie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
someonenameddavid Posted March 23, 2009 Share #24 Posted March 23, 2009 Of course... the issue of CL=modern lenses is only apparent... you could buy a M3 and mount on it a Summilux 50 Asph brand new... . I think your decision has to be based on 3 factors : 1) Sentiment : M3 of course wins by a far... a lovely superclassic, CL is a fine half-breed Leitz-Minolta.. M3 is an item sculpted in history, CL is also historically interesting (first "multinational" Leica, and for someone, "the camera that saved Leica") but surely on a step below. But isn't the Leica SL2 based on the Minolta SRT 101 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 23, 2009 Share #25 Posted March 23, 2009 Of course... the issue of CL=modern lenses is only apparent... you could buy a M3 and mount on it a Summilux 50 Asph brand new... . I think your decision has to be based on 3 factors : 1) Sentiment : M3 of course wins by a far... a lovely superclassic, CL is a fine half-breed Leitz-Minolta.. M3 is an item sculpted in history, CL is also historically interesting (first "multinational" Leica, and for someone, "the camera that saved Leica") but surely on a step below. But isn't the Leica SL2 based on the Minolta SRT 101 David Uhm... I'm not an expert on SLRs... but seem to remember that Leicaflex SL2 was a "all-Wetzlar" design, last stage of 1st Leicaflex development: the Minolta based I think it's the R3 (announced after CL). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted March 23, 2009 Share #26 Posted March 23, 2009 Uhm... I'm not an expert on SLRs... but seem to remember that Leicaflex SL2 was a "all-Wetzlar" design, last stage of 1st Leicaflex development: the Minolta based I think it's the R3 (announced after CL). I think that is right. The various Leicaflex's were designed totally by Leitz. And they are all pretty nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujjwaldey8165 Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share #27 Posted March 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks everyone for the valuable inputs. In the end, I went for the CL. I know..I Know. The thing is, I was never comfortable with the external meter - too much fiddling around. May be I have the wrong type of meter, may be its just me. So the built in meter did it for me in the end. I would have to learn to guess-estimate the readings ; I think it'll take me some time to get a feel for that. I got the 40 mm summicron lens for now, and this camera would go with me to most places. I would be sometimes using a 85/f2 jupiter with a LTM to bayonet mount; but I guess not very often. Hopefully I'll enjoy this little one as much as I enjoy the G1. Thanks to everyone, once again Ujjwal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maddoc2003jp Posted March 30, 2009 Share #28 Posted March 30, 2009 Ujjwal, that sounds like a good decision to me. The biggest advantage of the CL is the compact size being much closer to the IIIc than every M Leica. One of the advantages of RF cameras is portability and the CL is very good at this. My wife's first Leica was an IIIf + Summitar (well she used my one ...) and since she wanted to have at least a camera with meter and stay with Leica, the next step was a CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnkare Posted March 30, 2009 Share #29 Posted March 30, 2009 You seem to have made a choice suitable for you. The CL wins the M3 in a couple of categories: cost (at least for short term) light meter (as long as they last - not likely repairable?) hot shoe smaller size&weight (well, the M3 can be thinner with a collapsible lens) a bit wider viewfinder, with the 40mm frameline (if needed) a bit faster x-sync a bit easier film loading (a vertically travelling shutter, if it offers some advantages). Also the CL is younger (7-22 years, depending on individual cameras), so similar parts have more lifetime left. For example the cementings and silverings of the M3 prisms wear out during time inevitably, but can be repaired, at least in Luton, at least for some years. The M3 is a superb work of art, but even it is not a hammer. Surely it's more robust than the CL, but it can't be thrown around either. For example the rangefinder is truely vulnerable, at least compared to the rest of the camera. Just remember with the CL not to collapse the collapsible lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPerson Posted March 30, 2009 Share #30 Posted March 30, 2009 Congratulations Ujjwal, nice camera. I have two and still giving sterling service. However, if you need repairs, CLA or the light meter fixing/new CDS cell then I can thoroughly recommend: CRR in Luton Not that far from your neck of the woods. Enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted March 31, 2009 Share #31 Posted March 31, 2009 Ujjwal, congrats on your purchase & welcome to the Forum. As you can see, we have so many knowledgeable members with strong sentiments about their Leicas. I have all the cameras mentioned in this discussion & in my opinion, there is no right choice. The CL is a fine instrument. I use it on the subways all the time. The 40 is fast enough to use both TriX & TMax with great results in the lowest light. It is almost silent and the 40 cron is tact sharp. The neat thing is that this investment will pay dividends for years. If you remain enamored with film, the 40 cron with continue to render excellent images on any M body you might buy in addition to the CL. Find your style & the Leica will always deliver. The M3 is my all-time favorite. I bought my first Leica, an M3 in 1973 from Ken Hansen in NYC. Nothing feels better in your hands & as you get older, the large, light filled viewfinder is unmatched. It's a privilege worth the price. You will never forget or regret using and caring for a M3. Enjoy the CL. It's the first film camera I bought for my son. He loves it, as I know you will as well. All the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujjwaldey8165 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share #32 Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks, all of you for your kind words. I got my first film developed today ( Jessops, hand assessment). The lens is lovely ( not that me saying it makes any difference; but still, its one more vote). Much sharper and better colour than the Summitar I had. ( Again, this would not make me a good photographer; but hopefully a more interested one). At some point, when I am more confident, I would post a few photos. But I have a separate Q; which I'll post in a new topic. Thanks again Ujjwal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujjwaldey8165 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted March 31, 2009 Ben I use film only. For a period of 2 years I tried Digital ( various diff. cameras). But it did not float my boat. I realised the digital technology has a long way to go. Plus there is something about holding a true print in my hand. I would stick to film for as long as it exists ; and then, who knows, .... Thanks for your kind encouragement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrow Posted July 7, 2009 Share #34 Posted July 7, 2009 I own a Leica IIIc + 50/ f2 Summitar. I have put together some money; and now am in a position to buy either a M3 or a Leica CL + 40 mm summicron. I have a read up a lot on both but cant make up my mind. As far as I can see CL advantage : small, with a lightmeter, modern lens M3 : better built, classic, but no lightmeter Whats would be the suggestion of the more experienced folks out here : Cl or M3. Also, what would be a reasonable ( price and quality) 50 mm lens if I go for the M3. I would be grateful for any advice _______ I recently bought the CL. For me it was a matter of economics. The CL and the M3 were about the same price. But I owned no Leica lenses, so I went with the CL because it was near mint condition and came with the 40 cron. It is a very solid, sturdy little package, and I really like the size and feel of it. The main downfall I see is that the viewfinder is small. I think you would be happy with the CL, but since you already have lenses, my recommendation would be the M3 for similar money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.