sean_reid Posted March 17, 2009 Share #61 Posted March 17, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sean says on his site (I think it was Sean) that you can get into a kind of rhythm in shooting with it, but I couldn't; I had to think about it every time. Nothing went quickly. I probably didn't shoot enough to find the rhythm. JC Hi John, Yes, that was me. I experienced both - times when the camera was very awkward to use with M lenses and times when the rhythm did work. A lot depended on ambient light levels, my shooting pace, the degree of subject speed/movement, etc. Right now, however, I'm shooting about 6 hours per day every day with the M8 (.2) and no other digital camera has ever suited my hands and eyes as well as this one. I've said the same for years but I've recently been reminded (once again) of how true this is. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_livsey Posted March 17, 2009 Share #62 Posted March 17, 2009 [quote name=malland;845725 It is amazing how anyone could make so many great photographs in one book' date=' which is not a retrospective. —Mitch/Potomac, MD[/quote] I am not here to deny greatness but it rather depends on how broad your definition of retrospective is. The DM contains photographs made from around 1932 to 1952. Now twenty years may not fit your description of retrospective but that is large chunk of a working life. It is a major feat of editing that it presents as a coherent body of work. I very nearly jumped in earlier as I am wont to do when HCB comes up but I have found that however eloquent I try to be entrenched positions will not be changed. Just for the record though HCB did not choose that title and was frequently quoted as regarding it as a millstone as he knew how it was misunderstood and twisted as a photographic "philosophy". Fundamentally his is a world view that "it is possible to control the flux of life to reveal its underlying harmony or truth " (from DM, too many look at the pictures and don't read the text) . If you just can't stand HCB and can't see what the fuss is about you probably fall into the opposing camp, and to choose a photographer publishing at the same time to illustrate this I call Robert Frank to the stand, "it is only with the heart that one can see rightly;what is essential is invisible to the eye" from both "Mary's Book" and "Black White and Things". There is no conviction that the universe has an underlying harmony. No one, and certainly not me, can reconcile these two positions and if you sit happily in either camp then so be it but that does not make HCB, in the context of his world view, any lesser or greater a photographer than many others working from their own position. My view, practice tolerance and promote understanding. In an online forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted April 13, 2009 Share #63 Posted April 13, 2009 Here are a few recent shots taken using the C-V15 @f/8 to f/11) on the G1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukko Posted April 13, 2009 Share #64 Posted April 13, 2009 Hello All my M8 Lenses from 40 mm Up work just fine on the G1. Cheers Ukko Heikkinen Flickr: ukko2009's Photostream Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 13, 2009 Share #65 Posted April 13, 2009 Here are a few recent shots taken using the C-V15 @f/8 to f/11) on the G1. This dog shot is hysterical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 13, 2009 Share #66 Posted April 13, 2009 Hello All my M8 Lenses from 40 mm Up work just fine on the G1. Cheers Ukko Heikkinen Flickr: ukko2009's Photostream That's good to know, thanks. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted April 13, 2009 Share #67 Posted April 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This dog shot is hysterical. Thanks Alan. I thought the OOF corner "mush" would obliterate the expression of that playful dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted April 14, 2009 Share #68 Posted April 14, 2009 Just jumping into the thread here -- I was initially disappointed that the G1 doesn't seem to work well with wider angle lenses (ie more "normal" focal lengths given the crop factor). However, I have been thinking about the long end: I have a very hard time focusing my 75 and 90 (especially at shorter distances to subject where DOF is very thin) on my M8. As a result, I often thing twice about bringing them with me unless I am sure that I will need the longer length. It's possible that a G1 could breath some new life into these lenses. (Actually, I'm going to wait to see how the G1H looks, video-wise, as that's something that's missing from my arsenal right now.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 14, 2009 Share #69 Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks Alan. I thought the OOF corner "mush" would obliterate the expression of that playful dog. Really...even though the dog is near the center of the frame and the picture was made at F/8 to F/11? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 14, 2009 Share #70 Posted April 14, 2009 However, I have been thinking about the long end: I have a very hard time focusing my 75 and 90 (especially at shorter distances to subject where DOF is very thin) on my M8. As a result, I often thing twice about bringing them with me unless I am sure that I will need the longer length. My experience is the same - the G1 is great to use with the three most difficult Leica lenses - Noctilux, 75mm Summilux, APO 90 Summicron ASPH - simply because you can focus accurately. Too many of my (especially) Noctilux images disappoint because the razor-thin zone in focus is not where I want it to be and out-of-focus is one thing you cannot fix in post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted April 14, 2009 Share #71 Posted April 14, 2009 Mark, Vivek, you can focus accurately, but what is the process and how quickly can you focus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 14, 2009 Share #72 Posted April 14, 2009 Rob, you're using the sensor in live-view mode to show the actual image through the lens, looking at it on the LCD or through the EVF. For best results, you of course focus with the lens wide open to minimise depth of field; you can press two buttons to zoom in to the central part of the image with further magnification available via the command dial. Then, when it's in focus, you cancel zoom mode by half depressing the shutter, manually stop down to your taking aperture and shoot. Clearly, not the fastest process, manually focussing the Panasonic lens is helped by the automatic diaphragm and optional switch into zoom mode when you turn the focussing ring. Not as quick as an M of course, but a quick process is less useful if it's not accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted April 14, 2009 Share #73 Posted April 14, 2009 Rob, Agree with Mark. Not the fastest of the process (accurate focusing) but is easy and accurate. Here is one using a CCTV (c-mount) lens 25mm f/1.4 wide open. Here is another close encounter using the C-V15 @ f/11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted April 14, 2009 Share #74 Posted April 14, 2009 Do wide (35mm and less) C-mount lenses exhibit the same loss of resolution in corners as M-mounts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted April 14, 2009 Share #75 Posted April 14, 2009 Piotr, These are "normal" focal lengths for the m4/3rds. Yes, they do fall off from the center. It is more noticeable if you are shooting Siemens Stars. But in reality, light fall off, vignetting, mush may or may not affect what one captures. That said, I am so looking forward to a (3rd gen?) m4/3rds camera with better image quality. Another c-mount 25mm lens stopped down to f/2.8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted April 14, 2009 Share #76 Posted April 14, 2009 Piotr, These are "normal" focal lengths for the m4/3rds. Yes, they do fall off from the center. It is more noticeable if you are shooting Siemens Stars. But in reality, light fall off, vignetting, mush may or may not affect what one captures. That said, I am so looking forward to a (3rd gen?) m4/3rds camera with better image quality. Another c-mount 25mm lens stopped down to f/2.8. Vivek, I'd rather not get into the "normal lens" definition discussion. Rather I'm curious which lenses deliver to the 4/3 sensor light rays as close to the right angle as possible across the sensor. The construction of today's digital camera sensors premiums lens projecting onto the sensor as close to the right angle (90 deg) as possible. Photosites are embeded in "wells" to prevent spillover. (M8 corrects it with offset microlenses of the custom sensor). In RF cameras like M-mount the sensor (film) plane sits close to the exit of the lens. The closer it is, the angle of incidence in the corners becomes more deviated from 90 deg. People report that the falloff phenomenon abates from around 40-50mm focal length (FF) with M lenses mounted on G1. I am curious if the construction of C-mount lenses or DSLR lenses (eg R) somehow gives them advantage for m4/3 as compared to M-mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted April 14, 2009 Share #77 Posted April 14, 2009 Piotr, In addition to the "normalcy" of focal lengths, all the rest you bring also, IMO, obfuscates the final picture. My requirements: Compact, light weight, functional (interchangeable lenses) and affordable. The m4/3rds is it. A 12.5mm c-mount lens @f/2.8 (cropped to get rid of some dark corners, have not found a lens that would cover the whole frame, yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 14, 2009 Share #78 Posted April 14, 2009 ... My requirements: Compact, light weight, functional (interchangeable lenses) and affordable. It's interesting to note that image quality doesn't feature at all ... Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scho Posted April 14, 2009 Share #79 Posted April 14, 2009 Vivek,I'd rather not get into the "normal lens" definition discussion. Rather I'm curious which lenses deliver to the 4/3 sensor light rays as close to the right angle as possible across the sensor. The construction of today's digital camera sensors premiums lens projecting onto the sensor as close to the right angle (90 deg) as possible. Photosites are embeded in "wells" to prevent spillover. (M8 corrects it with offset microlenses of the custom sensor). In RF cameras like M-mount the sensor (film) plane sits close to the exit of the lens. The closer it is, the angle of incidence in the corners becomes more deviated from 90 deg. People report that the falloff phenomenon abates from around 40-50mm focal length (FF) with M lenses mounted on G1. I am curious if the construction of C-mount lenses or DSLR lenses (eg R) somehow gives them advantage for m4/3 as compared to M-mount. Some wide DSLR lenses seem to perform much better than M mount lenses on the G1. I've been using a Canon FD 24mm f/2.8 lens on the G1 and have not detected any significant edge or corner smearing. Sample shot: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted April 14, 2009 Share #80 Posted April 14, 2009 Some wide DSLR lenses seem to perform much better than M mount lenses on the G1. I've been using a Canon FD 24mm f/2.8 lens on the G1 and have not detected any significant edge or corner smearing. Sample shot: Hi Carl, It makes sense that the SLR lenses would do much better. That seems like a good lens for the G1. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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