rami G Posted February 21, 2009 Share #21 Posted February 21, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Which serious photographer was that? ok, I grant that, I didn't mean HCB, but simply someone who needs the camera to work on a serious project. Actually, if someone does not see the value of international media covering the situation in Darfur, because they think that they are better photographers that the assigned reporter, then I am starting to see the point of the criticizer of the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 Hi rami G, Take a look here Leica M8 Used By NBC News Correspondent Ann Curry In Darfur. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rob_x2004 Posted February 21, 2009 Share #22 Posted February 21, 2009 Whats an HCB? Sudan Vision might argue your valued international media with you. Wonder what DeLair thinks. Anyway I cant quite follow your logic leaps. But the day someone like Reza takes the M8 seriously I guess us mere mortals should too. Soon hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted February 21, 2009 Share #23 Posted February 21, 2009 The point is Guy that the dreadful and prolonged suffering of the people of that blighted region is covered extensively in the media and debated at length around the globe. I'm sure that most members of this forum are aware of that and, of course, desperately sympathetic to the plight of the refugees. However the OP simply started a thread in the M8 section of a Leica forum concerning the use of that camera. It's admirable that you care, but no need for a 'holier than thou' put down, imho of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 21, 2009 Share #24 Posted February 21, 2009 Whats an HCB? Henri Cartier - Bresson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted February 21, 2009 Share #25 Posted February 21, 2009 Whats an HCB?Sudan Vision might argue your valued international media with you. Wonder what DeLair thinks. Anyway I cant quite follow your logic leaps. But the day someone like Reza takes the M8 seriously I guess us mere mortals should too. Soon hopefully. Henri Cartier-Bresson. To the rest of your post, well, that was exactly my point, wasn't it? This forum is indeed not the right place for a political debate, but let me just say I share the worries regarding media coverage of conflicts. When, a month ago or so, my great nation (Israel) performed an "election war", in which it executed a revenge operation against helpless civilian population, not only that they did not let a single reporter be present in Gaza, but even a 10000 Israelis demonstration at the center of Tel Aviv, marching against the war (week after week through the military assault), was covered neither by the Israeli media nor the International media, because it would a. threaten the fake atmosphere of unity, or (in the case of world media), b. destroy the image of the militant israelis supporting the war. To make it a little off topic- as my M8 was, and is still at Solms for upgrade and repair, I had to cover it using my LX-3, but it does have a Leica lens though. ;> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 21, 2009 Share #26 Posted February 21, 2009 rami-- I, for one, appreciate the points you have made, and I am fascinated to hear of the anti-war demonstrations you mention. I had heard nothing of them and am glad for the information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabelle Lenatio Posted February 21, 2009 Share #27 Posted February 21, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just the mere mention of the fact that someone has seen someone else on TV with a Leica sort of makes one wonder, well at least me.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted February 21, 2009 Share #28 Posted February 21, 2009 Guy, you're looking for the suffering & genocide forum. You can find it using Google; "Darfur" as a search term returns about 10,000,000 hits. This here's the Leica User Forum, where we discuss, umm, wait, it's around here somewhere, ... oh yeah. Leicas and Leica Users. That a discussion of a Leica User should pop up in the midst of the Leica User Forum dedicated to discussing Leicas and Leica Users is not surprising. If your interests lie elsewhere, and being here is making you unhappy, there's an obvious solution. BTW Amnesty International thinks cameras of various kinds are an important part of the solution to the Darfur genocide. I doubt they care how much the camera cost, as long as the story continues to get out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted February 21, 2009 Share #29 Posted February 21, 2009 I have noticed that this latest world recession... aka "The CRISIS"... Has orphaned and left homeless a huge inventory of M8s & M8.2s... I thing we as a community should do our part via Angelina Jolie style... and adopt a second or third M8... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted February 21, 2009 Share #30 Posted February 21, 2009 5 years of war, hundreds of thousands dead, hundreds of thousands of refugees, but never mind that, someones got a Leica! Getting yourself cheap self-righteousness for free? And what have YOU done for Darfur? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabelle Lenatio Posted February 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted February 21, 2009 Getting yourself cheap self-righteousness for free? And what have YOU done for Darfur? ... He has thought about it, it struck his mind within the context the "amazing Leica sighting" was published, the fact crossed his mind that it might be a bit "off" the combination of both that is and then reading posts in the same thread like "I have noticed that this latest world recession... aka "The CRISIS"... Has orphaned and left homeless a huge inventory of M8s & M8.2s... I thing we as a community should do our part via Angelina Jolie style... and adopt a second or third M8" makes me think he has a point.... even if this posting was supposed to be humorous, at least I hope so (bad humor nevertheless though) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabelle Lenatio Posted February 21, 2009 Share #32 Posted February 21, 2009 ... please not where the posters of the different information-sets are located (geographically that is), this might have something to do with too.... I think some will refer to it as "culture" and the difference between them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted February 21, 2009 Share #33 Posted February 21, 2009 I wonder if tens of thousands of New Yorkers, Dubliners or Londoners were being murdered and raped that would be a harmless subject of general interest? Of course! There would be LOADS of Leica users in those places! True to form, no post on a Leica Forum can last more than a page of responses before it goes off track. Angry middle aged men make a pesky customer base:D (see, I put a smiley face on it so that makes it ok right?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishdrummer Posted February 21, 2009 Share #34 Posted February 21, 2009 it takes courage for any journalist to brave the journey to keep this tragic story in the news.Having made this journey, I do think the M8 is a very good camera to document the refugees plight ,and at the same time its sheer size quite pratical not to draw attention from authorities and thugs. ann takes her photography seriously and if you do some searching you will find she uses it for humanitarian causes. Darfur , sadly is a very complicated situation with many fingers pointing in all kinds of directions while people continue to suffer. The real tragedy would be for anyone to put their camera down and not go there to document the horrors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 21, 2009 Share #35 Posted February 21, 2009 it takes courage for any journalist to brave the journey to keep this tragic story in the news.Having made this journey, I do think the M8 is a very good camera to document the refugees plight ,and at the same time its sheer size quite pratical not to draw attention from authorities and thugs. ann takes her photography seriously and if you do some searching you will find she uses it for humanitarian causes. Darfur , sadly is a very complicated situation with many fingers pointing in all kinds of directions while people continue to suffer. The real tragedy would be for anyone to put their camera down and not go there to document the horrors. Sanity restored to the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted February 22, 2009 Share #36 Posted February 22, 2009 Here is a link to a few of her shots from the trip..... In Darfur, a school house named 'Obama' - The Daily Nightly - msnbc.com And from a prior trip http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11199306/ I'm impressed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2009 Share #37 Posted February 22, 2009 I can only say, that lady knows how to take a photograph... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted February 22, 2009 Share #38 Posted February 22, 2009 ... Has orphaned and left homeless a huge inventory of M8s & M8.2s Appalling that you should focus on these and ignore all the dead ones of the last two years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 22, 2009 Share #39 Posted February 22, 2009 I just think its exciting that someone well known is using a tool we care about in a place that needs to be documented. I don't think anyone implied that a camera is more important than the situation in Darfur. Now everyone can get back to shooting a-political brick walls to insure they have the most sharpness possible known to man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 22, 2009 Share #40 Posted February 22, 2009 These pictures will only add some topics for the armchair politicians, they won't change anything ... it's just too bad that America has no more troops to be sent to Dafur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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