carlos.paula Posted March 15, 2013 Share #21 Posted March 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dear Braconi, now I am very confused... I can not remove that collar, the rear lens and the diaphragm blades are mounted there...I think that this set is a one-piece frame. Look this close-ups, please. Note the rear lens of this set near the screw. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/77279-short-focussing-mount-pict-added/?do=findComment&comment=2272557'>More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted March 15, 2013 Share #22 Posted March 15, 2013 I am confused too as I dismounted 3 hektor lens head SM E36 SM E39 M E39 SM and M E39 are the same so I dont pict M look at this 2 E39 & E36 there are different from yours especially this kurnled ring at the base are you sure you cannot unscrew this sleeve? I think you can easily... (Questo secondo me e giusto un tubo che dovrebbe stare sul corpo non sopra la lente.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/77279-short-focussing-mount-pict-added/?do=findComment&comment=2272598'>More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 15, 2013 Share #23 Posted March 15, 2013 Braconi, look at my Hektor picture above; it is quite different from the two you show here; note the aperture ring shape. But, you can see also a little groove soon below the ring, which means that it will possibly unscrew there. Therefore, I do not can do that, it is very, very tight !! Do you have a picture from the collar separetely? Suggestions about how to unscrew the collar without scratch it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 15, 2013 Share #24 Posted March 15, 2013 I saw yours and I saw also the one above with the lens body where the collar is missing because tightened to the lens head : here are my lenses Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/77279-short-focussing-mount-pict-added/?do=findComment&comment=2272714'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 15, 2013 Share #25 Posted March 15, 2013 To trying unscrew the collar from the lens head you can use rubber joint from jar there are enough large to grip one on the aperture ring and one on this knuled sleeve end and unscrew anticlockwise Good luck ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 16, 2013 Share #26 Posted March 16, 2013 That is for sure !!!You have the lens head WITH the collar attached You must unscrew the head from this sleeve ! Yup... I didn't look with care at the pics... that's really the problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted March 16, 2013 Share #27 Posted March 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) To trying unscrew the collar from the lens head you can use rubber joint from jar there are enough large to grip one on the aperture ring and one on this knuled sleeve end and unscrew anticlockwise Good luck ! Can I make a suggestion? looking carefully to our Brazilian friend's pictures, it appears that his "Hektor" is different of what we normally know. The lens' head looks very much like the one of the known "Belgian" fakes. I had two of these fakes in my Fontenelle Collection (a Hektor and a 9cm Elmar), but both - extremely well made - were black painted. I was told many years ago that some "fake heads" were also produced to adapt to real Leitz mounts, but I wonder the chrome finish, since it is certainly more difficult - and costly - to "copy". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 16, 2013 Share #28 Posted March 16, 2013 Pecole and other friends, I did not know about belgian fakes, in fact. But I think that it is a little difficult that my lens is a fake; I compared it with other two, recently, from camera collectors, and seem to me identical. All Leitz marks are there, well made and well legible. But, we can not guarantee nothing, of course. But today I take it to a camera technician which will dismount it, to clean and lubricate. He will try to disassemble the collar too, which is very tight, and maybe I will can use it later with the ZOOAN. After that I, will talk with you about the results...Thank you for your kindness help and giving me a solution. Big hugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted March 17, 2013 Share #29 Posted March 17, 2013 Pecole and other friends, I did not know about belgian fakes, in fact. But I think that it is a little difficult that my lens is a fake; I compared it with other two, recently, from camera collectors, and seem to me identical. All Leitz marks are there, well made and well legible. But, we can not guarantee nothing, of course. But today I take it to a camera technician which will dismount it, to clean and lubricate. He will try to disassemble the collar too, which is very tight, and maybe I will can use it later with the ZOOAN. After that I, will talk with you about the results...Thank you for your kindness help and giving me a solution. Big hugs. Boa sorte, companhero. Sou Belga, mas moro há vinte anos no Portugal (Algarve). Tambem um grande abraço. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 17, 2013 Share #30 Posted March 17, 2013 Pecole and other friends, I did not know about belgian fakes, in fact. But I think that it is a little difficult that my lens is a fake; I compared it with other two, recently, from camera collectors, and seem to me identical. All Leitz marks are there, well made and well legible. But, we can not guarantee nothing, of course. But today I take it to a camera technician which will dismount it, to clean and lubricate. He will try to disassemble the collar too, which is very tight, and maybe I will can use it later with the ZOOAN. After that I, will talk with you about the results...Thank you for your kindness help and giving me a solution. Big hugs. Something is special when I look at that knurled ring at the base of the tube. One HEFAR like yours is illustrated p 103 of Lager II Lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 17, 2013 Share #31 Posted March 17, 2013 JC, I think that the knurled ring is specific of the lenses with "rotating lens group" (to say, front does rotate when one focuses) : I think that all the Hektors with non rotating lens group are of the kind with no ring (as my one is)... clearly, to avoid the rotation, they changed the fitting of the top assembly to the focusing unit : I don't remember when this change occurred... but the catalog of 1955 still depicts the Hektor with that ring... The presence of that "sleeve" makes me wonder WHAT was delivered when one ordered, in the '50s, the OHEBO = Hektor 13,5 in short mount (to say, ZOOAN included) : was it complete with the sleeve as an accessory ? Given that one could order, separately, the normal long focusing mount (ZOOKE) to have a "dual personality" lens, the sleeve was needed... maybe it was provided with the long mount and not with the OHEBO (the catalog of 1955 details that ordering the ZOOKE one had to specify the s/n of the lens he wanted to fit into... this can be related to this problem...) (of course, this does not change the fact that the lens unit ought to be unscrewable as in your pics... the ZOOAN was introduced well before WWII) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 17, 2013 Share #32 Posted March 17, 2013 Fine analyze Luigi, Thanks Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/77279-short-focussing-mount-pict-added/?do=findComment&comment=2274462'>More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 17, 2013 Share #33 Posted March 17, 2013 Friends, in a couple of days, here in this forum, I learned more than several days reading about this matter and Leicas in general, on the web... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 18, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 18, 2013 Friends, in a couple of days, here in this forum, I learned more than several days reading about this matter and Leicas in general, on the web... What did I write about the forum in my post #11 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 18, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 18, 2013 I am very glad to meet you, here; all of you! Now, I am waiting the technician returns me a good notice about the lens. I hope that he get success in dismount and cleaned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted March 19, 2013 Share #36 Posted March 19, 2013 JC, I think that the knurled ring is specific of the lenses with "rotating lens group" (to say, front does rotate when one focuses) : I think that all the Hektors with non rotating lens group are of the kind with no ring (as my one is)... clearly, to avoid the rotation, they changed the fitting of the top assembly to the focusing unit : I don't remember when this change occurred... but the catalog of 1955 still depicts the Hektor with that ring... Hi guys. My screwmount Hektor: rotating lens head, with that knurled ring, 852964, 1951. My bayonet Hektor: non-rotating lens head, without knurled ring, 1648676, 1959 The knurled tube is very, very tight opn the focussing ring, so I won't try to get it off! Susie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 19, 2013 Share #37 Posted March 19, 2013 Susie, yes, the collar is very tight; my technician is triyng to unscrew it today, and told me that it is very hard to do. I suggest him left the collar as is, in case of too much effort to remove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 20, 2013 Share #38 Posted March 20, 2013 Susie, yes, the collar is very tight; my technician is triyng to unscrew it today, and told me that it is very hard to do. I suggest him left the collar as is, in case of too much effort to remove it. There is this lens head for sale ask for shipping to Brazil : eBay | LEICA KOPF LENS HEAD HEKTOR 4,5/135 135mm F4,5 COATED 1/13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted March 20, 2013 Share #39 Posted March 20, 2013 JC, I saw it, really very good condition, but very expensive...I think that I get a complete Hektor in the eBay by the same price...Leica M 39 Hektor 135mm F 4 5 SE NR 1383819 | eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos.paula Posted April 8, 2013 Share #40 Posted April 8, 2013 Dear fellows, I'm back! While I am waiting for my technician response about my Hektor (in cleaning process), yesterday I was watching out something in a small and traditional antiques fair in my city, when I always visit a stand with several antique cameras and accessories. So, there, something incredible to found here: a Telyt 200mm in box plus a Leitz 58mm UV filter. I supposed that it was very used, but really it is not. The focus ring was locked but in home, carefully warm the lens, I loose it and now rotates smooth and free. Now, the most incredible was the price: in local currency, R$ 100,00, equivalent at US 50,00. But here in Brazil, these lenses, in very good condition, was sold about R$ 600 to R$ 900, circa US 300 to US 450. Here the pictures, and I have made some shots using my PLOOT. The image in the PLOOT screen is superb and the lens are very clean. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/77279-short-focussing-mount-pict-added/?do=findComment&comment=2293946'>More sharing options...
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