lct Posted January 30, 2009 Share #21 Posted January 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am hoping Leica is not that stupid as to impose a new bayonet mount and lose backward compatibility with existing R lenses. It makes no sense that they would risk goodwill from their existing R base. The only reason to get the R10 for me would be to mount my R lenses as they are (ROM most likely), anything else would mean either continuing with an aging (although reliable) DMR system, and/or choosing an entirely new system. With the S2 Leica could afford an entirely new mount, but not with the R - the R10 "MUST" accept existing R lenses without any adapter for it to be a viable product in my eyes. This is, of course, a purely personal opinion. This makes at least two personal opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ruhayat Posted January 30, 2009 Share #22 Posted January 30, 2009 I am hoping Leica is not that stupid as to impose a new bayonet mount and lose backward compatibility with existing R lenses. It makes no sense that they would risk goodwill from their existing R base. The only reason to get the R10 for me would be to mount my R lenses as they are (ROM most likely), anything else would mean either continuing with an aging (although reliable) DMR system, and/or choosing an entirely new system. With the S2 Leica could afford an entirely new mount, but not with the R - the R10 "MUST" accept existing R lenses without any adapter for it to be a viable product in my eyes. This is, of course, a purely personal opinion. Conrad, I'm curious about your firm stand on the matter. Care to elaborate why? I mean, if the R10 comes with a new mount for new AF lenses, yet would work with old non-AF R lenses with an adapter, wouldn't that be the best of both worlds? Is it possible to just re-engineer the existing R mount to work with AF lenses? If so, that would be even better, of course. In any case, I'm going to get my third R lens in February! Either the 180mm or 135mm Elmarit-R, haven't decided yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 30, 2009 Share #23 Posted January 30, 2009 Leica have already confirmed backward compatability with R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 30, 2009 Share #24 Posted January 30, 2009 Why would Leica change the R mount for AF or whatever purpose? They can do the same as Nikon with their DSLRs don't they. Unless they want to close the 'new' R system of course, in which case i could well stick to my Canon body and purchase a couple of Zeiss lenses for wide open metering if need be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted January 30, 2009 Share #25 Posted January 30, 2009 They can reduce flange distance and increase the diameter to improve lens design possibilities. Of course old R-lenses will be still usable (I assume with aperture control), that was made clear on the photokina and confirmed several times, but when you need an adapter, it's most likely impossible to use the new AF-lenses on old R-bodies. Do they really have the patent for their R-bayonet? Isn't Canons EOS-bayonet much newer and Zeiss/Cosina already produces lenses for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted January 30, 2009 Share #26 Posted January 30, 2009 They can reduce flange distance and increase the diameter to improve lens design possibilities. Yea but they won´t. As Andy told - Leica has confirmed backward compatability with still existing R lenses for the R10. Of course without AF and without any "full" support for the R10 "electronical" features. Some members in the german part of this forum, which have a strong affinity to a camera producer situated in Solms, Germany suggest that existing R-Lenses with ROM are better fitting (more features available) to the R10 than lenses without ROM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted January 31, 2009 Share #27 Posted January 31, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is so much information lacking from Solms about the R10. I for one would like to know if focus confirmation would be available when using existing MF lenses on the R10. Early release of this and a few other informative "gems" might just persuade R users to retain their lenses rather than swap out to another brand. It happened with the S2 so why not with the R10? Come to that, the absence of a dedicated R10 section in this forum begs a question or two since the S2 has such prominence..........both are cameras that currently are unable to be purchased! The R and DMR have never enjoyed their own section either!, The R system has been around for rather a long time and the DMR pre-dated the M8 by quite a few years too. I know this sounds like sour grapes but a few straightforward answers might just stop the drift away of R users from Leica. At the moment R users are definitely the "poor" relations, coming well behind M, S2 and Panaleica series of cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 31, 2009 Share #28 Posted January 31, 2009 Leica wants people's attention to the S2 so they don't want to mention about the R10. And if the S2 really succeeds, they can abandon the R10 altogether. I'm afraid that we won't hear anything about the R10 before the S2 starts delivery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 31, 2009 Share #29 Posted January 31, 2009 ...And if the S2 really succeeds, they can abandon the R10 altogether... Why would they given what Stefan Daniels and Maike Harberts have said? Now if the S2 fails... Interview with Maike Harberts of Leica Camera AG about the new Leica S2 and the upcoming Leica R10 | Leica Rumors http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-s2-forum/68250-r-compatibiity-leica-fotographie-says-no.html#post706184 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 31, 2009 Share #30 Posted January 31, 2009 Why would they given what Stefan Daniels and Maike Harberts have said?Now if the S2 fails... Interview with Maike Harberts of Leica Camera AG about the new Leica S2 and the upcoming Leica R10 | Leica Rumors http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-s2-forum/68250-r-compatibiity-leica-fotographie-says-no.html#post706184 Hi, LCT, I've watched the video and posted my comments in the thread as well, but Dr Kaufmann has given a less enthusiastic answer in the latest issue of LFI when asked whether we could see a R10 in 2 years ... he says, Ah, you'll have to wait and see, I'm only afraid if he is changing his mind again - please, don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 31, 2009 Share #31 Posted January 31, 2009 Hi Simon yes a 2 years 'delay' wouldn't surprise me either but who's able to foresee what's coming in 2 years, at least not me unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted January 31, 2009 Share #32 Posted January 31, 2009 I for one would like to know if focus confirmation would be available when using existing MF lenses on the R10. Me too, and I asked one of the German members which has a strong affinity to a camera producer situated in Solms, Germany, and from which I know that he had used (at least one time) the existing prototype. It was a very direct question (unusual for me) and I got a direct "no-answer" answer. (Perhaps he signed a NDA): But some posts before he told that he personally is now changing his non ROM non Apo equipment to ROM and APO lenses . For what a manual focus lens can benefit from a ROM?: _ of course exif _ vigneting reduction at wide angels _ better support for TTL-flash metering _ focus confirmation. (at least Canon an Nikon needs an ROM in the lens - Pentax does it without a ROM in the lens) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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