ChrisC Posted December 31, 2008 Share #21 Posted December 31, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) .... ignore the colour... just look at the detail. To my eye, one of them is very clearly better than the other........ Hi Tim - First, great subject; though one I think that deserved a grumpier light. I have tried and tried to see obvious quality differences that you see in the files and I simply cannot. Granted they have differences, and I find the sharpening halation of the first image to be horrible, but I do not discern the 'clearly better' Processing that you do, and try as I have the colour differences are too dominant and cannot be ignored. You have the luxury of viewing the RAW processed files before brutalising them for Web viewing, do you still see the 'clearly better' differences when viewing the images in this thread or have you carried over a memory of the differences before Jpeg posting? ................ Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Hi ChrisC, Take a look here In favour of Capture One (again) . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Shootist Posted December 31, 2008 Share #22 Posted December 31, 2008 I have tried C1 many times after reading a thread like this one and I just don't see that big of a difference between C1 and the most current versions of ACR to warrant the learning curve (Not to mention that the newer versions of C1 drops folders and files all over the hard drive which I can't stand). Sure some of the color renditions or slightly different, mostly with red, but that can be adjusted in ACR to match C1, IF that is what you want, and I find the colors are more subdued and less bright in C1 compared to ACR. And with ACR I don't have to have another program open. If C1 floats your boat then use it. It doesn't for me so I'll be staying with ACR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted December 31, 2008 Share #23 Posted December 31, 2008 Those 100% crops definitely look overcooked (sharpened). But the detail is nice, and the full shot definitely impresses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted December 31, 2008 Share #24 Posted December 31, 2008 I don't like C1 exclusively for it's output. To me it seems they have done a lot of work on improving different parameters but in the way they might have lost an important parameter or two? I find pictures of people developed in C1 to be "distant" or "dead" looking, the "moment" is not kept well with their kind of processing, for some odd reason. Don't get me wrong, I find the C1 output impressive, it just doesn't look beautiful to me. Best Regards H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 31, 2008 Share #25 Posted December 31, 2008 I did the same tests with C1, LR, Aperture and Raw Developer and very textured images of human skin, paintings or old walls. Results : RAW Developer is by far the big winner, neutral in colour and extraordinarily sharp and contrasty in fine details. Aperture is an all-round second, way better than shmalzy colors in C1. Plus Aperture with Nik software plugins becomes a must. C1 is sharper and more contrasty, but I'm always unconfortablewith its unnatural quality - or one has to do a lot of tweakings to obtain well-balanced results. And really the GUI is messy with a lot of back and forth. LR is obviously last of the bunch, softer and less contrasty - but marvellous GUI, the fastest to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tofsla Posted December 31, 2008 Share #26 Posted December 31, 2008 Both images look great! They have unmistakable quality of $100 digicam in the hands of 5yr old. Its very clear that to bring out BEST in Leica M8 you need to use abacus and pen to decode RAW files from camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted December 31, 2008 Share #27 Posted December 31, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Both images look great! They have unmistakable quality of $100 digicam in the hands of 5yr old. Its very clear that to bring out BEST in Leica M8 you need to use abacus and pen to decode RAW files from camera. Wow, that's harsh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted December 31, 2008 Share #28 Posted December 31, 2008 I have tried them all.......C1, ACR, LR2, Silkypix, and Raw Developer and have concluded that for the most part Raw Developer is the winner. JMHO Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 31, 2008 Share #29 Posted December 31, 2008 I have tried them all.......C1, ACR, LR2, Silkypix, and Raw Developer and have concluded that for the most part Raw Developer is the winner. JMHO Woody Indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted December 31, 2008 Share #30 Posted December 31, 2008 I have tried them all.......C1, ACR, LR2, Silkypix, and Raw Developer and have concluded that for the most part Raw Developer is the winner. JMHO Woody Raw Developers texture looks odd too IMO, and the colors are a bit candy like. Maybe there's a fine balance of resolution, sharpness and megapixels available, a fine line between what's too much this and too much that? For resolution DCRAW should beat them all including RAW Developer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 31, 2008 Share #31 Posted December 31, 2008 C1 is still the champ, IMO, especially when it comes to skin tones. C1 4.5 is outstanding, quick, stable and produces fabulous files. I haven't seen any other RAW program as good, though admittedly I haven't spent much time with RAW Developer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted December 31, 2008 Share #32 Posted December 31, 2008 Raw Developers texture looks odd too IMO, and the colors are a bit candy like.Maybe there's a fine balance of resolution, sharpness and megapixels available, a fine line between what's too much this and too much that? For resolution DCRAW should beat them all including RAW Developer. Raw Developer uses DCRAW as its fundamental engine Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted December 31, 2008 Share #33 Posted December 31, 2008 Raw Developer uses DCRAW as its fundamental engine Woody Yes, but the code is modified and the result looks different. I just had a look at C1 again. There seems to be a difference in the interpolation that makes the LR results look soft and the C1 results look hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest V64 Posted January 1, 2009 Share #34 Posted January 1, 2009 I can no longer run C1 - since they no longer support G5 PPC - but in the last version that did I found that I got distinct 'chevron' patterning in areas of flat colour (as in a car paintwork) - which I dont get in LR2.2. I also find that the LR2.2 (M8) Camera Standard Profile gives much the best colour rendition (esp. Reds and Greens) - I do not find any need to sharpen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 1, 2009 Share #35 Posted January 1, 2009 I can no longer run C1 - since they no longer support G5 PPC - but in the last version that did I found that I got distinct 'chevron' patterning in areas of flat colour (as in a car paintwork) - which I dont get in LR2.2. I also find that the LR2.2 (M8) Camera Standard Profile gives much the best colour rendition (esp. Reds and Greens) - I do not find any need to sharpen I am running C1 V4.5.2 in our G5 PPC server (dual 2.3GHz Powermac) and although a dialog box came up and said it would not run, I shut C1 down, opened it up again and it works just fine. Maybe it is worth persisting and you will get it to run. BTW, you have to trash the .col file in the Capture One Library in Pictures before you start for the second time or it will just crash. I have however to admit it runs better on my Intel Macs (iMac and Macbook). The only beef I have with C1 is that it does not currently support my Ricoh GX200 (the files come out muddy looking with the neutral profile and I have not got a specific .icc file as yet to use with the GX200 but I am going to try the colorxact.com system to get round this). Now I have got used to the workflow, I don't think it could be easier. I can set it up for batches of M8 files in seconds. It is very easy to select individual photos to process similarly with the various M8 icc profiles I have loaded. The only control that ACR 5.2 has, which would be nice to have in C1, is the cyan corner correction slider. I hear good things about SilkyPix, which supports both the M8 and GX200. Anyone using it on a regular basis? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 1, 2009 Share #36 Posted January 1, 2009 Wilson : Imants uses it, it is he who made me try it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 1, 2009 Share #37 Posted January 1, 2009 I wholeheartedly agree with Tim. Capture One is the highest quality raw converter on the market. I use Lightroom for organizing and proofing, but before I print my selects, I convert them in Capture One. I just bought the DLux4 after a few days of shooting with the LX3 and I am very happy with the file quality that Capture One pulls out of this little gadget. Here's one I took with the DLux4 yesterday and it really matches my M8 pictures in a 17x13 print. (ISO80 and Alienskin Film Grain applied) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/72683-in-favour-of-capture-one-again/?do=findComment&comment=763242'>More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 1, 2009 Share #38 Posted January 1, 2009 I wholeheartedly agree with Tim. Capture One is the highest quality raw converter on the market. Bernd, You did not try the right ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted January 1, 2009 Share #39 Posted January 1, 2009 Less DETAIL in LR compare to C1? I'll believe it when I see the exact same image converted in both programs, side by side, absolutley no retouching whatsoever, be it automatic or intended. Just plain straight conversion to jpg. Until then, allow me to doubt it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 1, 2009 Share #40 Posted January 1, 2009 Hammam, you will have to try that for yourself. Everyone sets their parameters differently and then we will get into the whole discussion of "this one is oversharpened, that one is not etc." You are welcome to have doubts, but if you ever need to pull the last bit of quality out of your Leica files, do try Capture One. I can just tell you from my own experience of printing for exhibitions: Capture One is fantastic! And I am saying this even though the interface is terribly unintuitive and I sometimes think that my processor will explode. I probably haven't tried all of the Raw Converters out there, but at least five of the big ones, and my quest is over for now. I refuse to buy and learn another program until something revolutionary comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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