R10 - Ideal Configuration(s)

[Guest Posto 6]

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As it seems very likely that the next big project will be the rolling out of the R10, it would be nice to discuss what specs and requirements would be most desirable to be included.

 

As there seems to be a possibility of more than one version, perhaps this would also give a chance to explore two rather different cameras built on the same basics- a bit like R6 and R7?

[frankbernhard]

I’d rather like to see a R10 and something between the Digilux and the M8.2:

 

R10: A smaller S2 with the R-mount, the new AF system and a new series of AF lenses, full support of the R lenses. Everything else like the R9. FF sensor.

 

The small M: M-mount, EVF instead of rangefinder. 1.500 Euros.

[clw]

Just throwing in my $0.02 that I'd like the R10 to be very similar to the R9. To me, that is the perfect camera. Full frame sensor, awesome viewfinder, like in the R9. External mirror lock up. 3 inch screen on the back similar to the one on the Nikon D300, or better.

 

That may come to be a reality, but while i'm dreaming here, i'll ask for an F1 35mm and 50mm R lenses :>

[stunsworth]

Styled in the spirit of the R9, full frame, 24 mp would be fine, more if it can be done without compromise. AF, full compatibility with current R lenses, nice bright viewfinder.

 

Mind you, I expect the basic specs have already been decided.

[Guest Posto 6]

Mind you, I expect the basic specs have already been decided.

 

While you are probably right in the overall big picture, there should be room for discussing the final specifications. Additionally, if there really are going to be two models or more, there is room for seeing which specs would be most in demand at the relevant price levels and market segment, such as M2 vs M3 vs MP (original).

[lct]

...EVF instead of rangefinder...

Thanks no thanks.

[crbirchenhall]

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Not sure ideal is the way to think about this project. I am sure the main parameters have been set, but let me put in my bit just in case there are some remaining degrees of freedom.

 

First a quick intro: I am keen amateur. I do photography to please myself; if someone else likes what I do that is great but it is not a necessary condition for me to pleased.

 

Reviewing my stock of prints has convinced me that SLR works best for me. I like using the Leica M films system but my SLRs suit me better. Anyway the crop factor with the M8/M8.2 bothers me.

 

The first impressions of the S2 are promising but I know I will not be able to afford it; on this project I wish Leica well.

 

Can they help me progress into a Leica dSLR future? Full frame is a must and if I cannot make good use of my current R glass as I can either on my SL2 or R9 then I am away to Nikon - or a Nikon/Canon combo which are likely to cost a good deal less than a new R system. Why would I invest in the R10? Please no stop down metering. Preferably a useable aperture priority mode with current R glass as with old Nikon lenses and new manual Zeiss lenses on the (D200/D300)/D700/D3. Beyond that images that are at least as good as the Nikon D3/D700 or the new Canon D5?

 

Simply put a R10 and my current R glass must compete with current Nikon/Zeiss or Canon solutions.

 

Ok maybe I am talking an ideal fantasy as I am looking for me to buying a R10 and no new lenses; not a good business model for Leica?

 

Chris

[R10dreamer]

I care that it can join a lens, take a picture and FF digital. The rest..... nada

[wildlightphoto]

SL3d: R8/R9 shape is OK, SL shape is better, SL viewfinder, a 24x36mm version of the S2's sensor.

[bono0272]

I also support the shape of R10 should be similar to R8/R9, weight less than 1 kg (), FF sensor of course with around 24-30 MP since this would be the minimum standard 2 years later. Full compatible to existing manual R lenses, without using any adaptor, unless the adaptor can be fixed onto the new camera body so I don't need to buy adaptors for all my lenses. New AF lenses will be welcome.

 

All other controls should be similar to what we are having right now on the R8/R9 + DMR Combo, no need to get into the manual 3-4 pages and look for a setting changes.

 

Price...... around EUR 5000 would be fine, still this is a Leica product.

[rick_dykstra]

I'd like it to have the F function flashmeter. I use that a lot. m and F should be next to each other, or there should be a way of checking ambient light in the f mode.

 

I also like the external mirror pre-release switch. A way of locking the mirror up would be handy, for pre-focussed shots with minimal delay and noise.

 

It would be good if the AF mode had focus detect for auto release in stand alone use.

 

Shutter release should have both shutter priority mode and focus priority mode, like my F5.

 

I'd prefer the exposure intervals (shutter and aperture) to stay in half stops. Please don't go to 1/3rd stops.

 

I'd like Metz adapters to be available from day one. Other accessories too. Remember the wait for the R8's flash adapter, winder, electronic release, driver. Yikes!

 

I'll ask Leica to try to make the shutter button smoother in its operation. It's good that it provides clear distinction between the stages, but I'd like the actual release stage to be smoother and without such a stiff push through. And with some travel beyond the release point to help avoid camera shake. But this might not be possible if the mechanical cable release function is retained.

 

I really like that the wind lever can cancel motor winding on my R8s. It would be good if the R10 had a way of delaying the shutter recocking, perhaps until the release is touched again. And an ultra quiet re-cocking mode.

 

Can we have HD movie capability? I think I read that the 5DII does this. Handy! Short videos would be good accompaniments to the stills I take.

 

Please try to keep 'the look' of the R10's images as close to the DMR as possible.

 

Compatibility with R8/9 electronic releases would be handy.

 

It's gotta be compatible with current R lenses without any kind of adapter.

 

I'll add more later.

[lars_bergquist]

[ ... ] I'll ask Leica to try to make the shutter button smoother in its operation. It's good that it provides clear distinction between the stages, but I'd like the actual release stage to be smoother and without such a stiff push through. And with some travel beyond the release point to help avoid camera shake. But this might not be possible if the mechanical cable release function is retained. [ ... ]

Dead travel after release is an open invitation to shake (also known as jerking off ...) First class target pistols and rifles have triggers carefully set up to eliminate all but the most microscopic backlash.

 

The old man from the Age of the Sniper Rifle

[garyp]

SL3d...I sure like the sound of that

[carstenw]

Doug, do you think that the SL body shape is better than the R8/R9, even for tele work? I find that I prefer the older bodies in general, but for tele work, the R8/R9 shape makes a lot more sense. I find the older bodies don't give enough support for the hands with a large lens on them (note that I am not saying that I carry the lens by the camera).

[rick_dykstra]

Dead travel after release is an open invitation to shake (also known as jerking off ...) First class target pistols and rifles have triggers carefully set up to eliminate all but the most microscopic backlash.

 

The old man from the Age of the Sniper Rifle

 

Hi Lars. I was thinking of the adjustable triggers I use when making this suggestion. I've found that both minimal travel after sear release or long travel can work. It's the smoothness, lightness and predictability of the release that matters most. I don't miss often. I bet you don't either.

 

The R8 requires quite a stiff push, through a resisting stage. My F5 has resistance at the meter activation step but after that it has free travel through a step-less zone, in the middle of which the shutter is activated. It's very smooth to use. However, with the R8 it is easier to pick up the point where release will occur, due to the step (too stiff a step though).

[JBA]

Ok maybe I am talking an ideal fantasy as I am looking for me to buying a R10 and no new lenses; not a good business model for Leica?

 

Chris

 

Unlike with the S2, which is new from the ground up, it makes no business sense for Leica to build a new digital R that does not support 3-cam and ROM R lenses in addition to a new line of AF lenses. By making the R10 fully compatible with existing R lenses, Leica will assure itself of the largest possible market for any new AF offerings.

[berndr]

Hello,

 

when I understood Mr. Kaufmann right he said that he isn't just interested in evolution of a camera system. He asked for really new ideas.

 

So here is my idea:

The viewfinder of the dslr is one of the key features. I hope the R10 will have a optical one on the level of the SL2. But maybe it is possible to construct a viewfinder off center. More like it is in the M cameras on the lefthandside of the body. This will have to main advantages:

1. The nose and the mouth doesn't touch the screen on the backside. Normally the screen get wet and you always have to clean it.

2. When you shoot person it is much better when they can see more parts of the photographers face.

 

It might be possible with a special prism, because the mirror must be centered.

 

What do you think?

 

The rest of my R10 wishes are simple:

Fullframe, R lens compatible, more then 16 MP

A compact model like the R7 (about 700gr) would be nice. But I prefer the handling and design of R8/9.

 

Kind regards,

Bernd.

[andybarton]

How would you cater for the millions of "left-eye" shooters, Bernd?

[berndr]

How would you cater for the millions of "left-eye" shooters, Bernd?

 

Sorry, for them. But for them it should be the same using a centered or an offcentered (lefthandside) viewfinder. Isn't it the same for M camera users. But for the "right-eye" shooters I see the described advantages.

 

Kind regards,

Bernd.

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