RobMac Posted September 25, 2008 Share #61 Posted September 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica dealers are currently advertising and taking pre-orders for the S2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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guidomo Posted September 25, 2008 Share #62 Posted September 25, 2008 Do they quote a price? Useless if not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 25, 2008 Share #63 Posted September 25, 2008 At least the medium format companies now know what their "new competiter" Leica plans to develop. What I find impressive is the size of the S2, on the other side the bigger lenses will add some size and weight compared to 24x36mm sensors/systems. Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar7 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share #64 Posted September 28, 2008 I reviewed the posts on a thread I started in DEC 2006, "An Attempt to Summarize Thoughts About an R10" to remind myself of the numbers from an Wall Street Journal article from a few years ago and the numbers from discussions at Photokina 2006. WSJ said that there were approximately 30,000 R users when the DMR came out. Steven Lee used 80,000. More than one person used the number 6,000 for the number of R lens sales to break even, and used that number to argue against new prime R lenses. Apparently dealers claimed they couldn't sell that number. If that is so, then why would Herr Kaufmann continue to profess support for a new R10 to appear, probably, no sooner than two years from now. Is Leica able to lower the break even numbers significantly? By the time an R10 arrives, it baffles me that people think there will be enough of an R community to resurrect. I want to hang on, but it is getting tough. A new lens or two would go far to keep up the spirit among the dinosauric film shooters still among us. (I don't own a DMR to sell to any of the hungry ones responding earlier to this thread). (Most R-lovers are still film shooters anyway, as there were only a few thousand DMRs built.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haris Posted September 28, 2008 Share #65 Posted September 28, 2008 Well, use film with your current R and scan it while waiting. Or, use film and darkroom... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 28, 2008 Share #66 Posted September 28, 2008 ..Or, use film and darkroom... Why shooting in darkrooms Haris? Switch on the light my friend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 29, 2008 Share #67 Posted September 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) By the time an R10 arrives, it baffles me that people think there will be enough of an R community to resurrect. Aside from DMR and film users there will be people using R lenses on Canon and 4/3-system cameras. IMHO, once the Canon and 4/3 users upgrade to the R10 (I don't often use the word 'upgrade') these will be the most vocal R10 supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted September 29, 2008 Share #68 Posted September 29, 2008 I think Stephen Lee had a falling out with the person heading up the R program. The person left and with him/her the program details. Valuable time was lost putting things back together. S Lee was toxic to the Leica culture and just did not fit. Without this conflict, there would have been a R10 or at least a prototype this Photokina. Leica is not required to announce only at Photokina. They might have something in January . Who knows. I just put this together from bits and pieces here and there and maybe I am totally off base, but wait. Leica wants to sell cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 29, 2008 Share #69 Posted September 29, 2008 I think Stephen Lee had a falling out with the person heading up the R program. The person left and with him/her the program details. If I remember correctly, Maike Harbets was the head of the R team (before Lee came on board) and is still the head of R team at this very moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar7 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share #70 Posted September 29, 2008 Correct. Maike is the product manager for the S2. Probably, that is, for reflex systems. She was at the 2006 Photokina meeting. Lee was the one pushing questions about such things as a larger chip and so on. The meeting was asked for to discuss the future of the R system. All of us assumed that we were talking and being asked about an "R10." It is clear now that, in fact, the real intentions were for what has become the S camera system. So whatever we were asked or said was a waste of everyone's time with respect to an R camera. The S system is not aimed at the R community. Of course, there is an overlap. It has to create another community with other needs and wants. I hope it succeeds, because it is a beautiful, audacious effort. But as for the R community, Photokina 2008 was a major disappointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar7 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share #71 Posted September 29, 2008 Doug and many other posters to this thread, Do you really in your heart of hearts believe that a sufficient mass of old R types will hold on for another two years, for a total of something like six years since the last R development, for a digital R? By then, we'll be too old to carry R stuff, and, as you point out, most will have moved on to other systems, maybe using some R lenses. Most of the few remaining R prime lenses are long in the tooth and lag the M side by a considerable margin, some teles being the exceptions. The wides are, except for the 15 and 19 way behind in performance. Once people get used to other cameras, they aren't all that likely to flood back into Leica's hands after so many years. Leica needs to get off the pot on the R camera and show something,,,, anything, very soon, say at PMA, or admit that the S camera is it, so the R community can get on with the future and suck it down. Waiting doesn't cut it any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 29, 2008 Share #72 Posted September 29, 2008 But as for the R community, Photokina 2008 was a major disappointment. LFI says a R10 already exists, it's unclear what is holding them back from releasing the camera though. When compared to the new S system, a full frame R10 has a 1.25x cropping factor on the 30x45 full frame. So it's really like a M8 and a MP. I think Leica will do exactly what Contax has done before, all S lenses will be able to be adapted to the R10 ... simply like the 645 AF lenses on a N1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 29, 2008 Share #73 Posted September 29, 2008 Do you really in your heart of hearts believe that a sufficient mass of old R types will hold on for another two years, for a total of something like six years since the last R development, for a digital R? By then, we'll be too old to carry R stuff, and, as you point out, most will have moved on to other systems, maybe using some R lenses. You can always hire a caddy boy ... leicar7. It really doesn't matter where people have moved to, if Leica could offer a competent product at a reasonable price, many folks will come back, along with many more noobies to the system. It's all about buying, selling, buying, selling ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 29, 2008 Share #74 Posted September 29, 2008 Waiting doesn't cut it any more. I don't think whining about it here will help the process either, either wait or don't. If the S2 is an indication of where Leica is going with the R10 any wait will be too long for me but the results will be worthwhile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 29, 2008 Share #75 Posted September 29, 2008 Leica lenses are the main point as always. Those who use them on Canons or with film, and of course with DMRs, will want an R10 IMHO. The S2 is another story as i don't see whom could be interested to spend about $20K for one body and one lens in a smaller format than MF and no more pixels than 35mm in a couple of years. Sounds totally silly to me but i may be wrong hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 29, 2008 Share #76 Posted September 29, 2008 Is there something wrong with the R8 or 9 or the lenses and the DMR you are using now? If so get them fixed and go out and take some pictures. You do know that there are many people around the world that are still using R 3/4/5/6/7/8/9's and M3/2/4/5/6/7's to take some great images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruiespanhol Posted September 29, 2008 Share #77 Posted September 29, 2008 Today I just ordered my new Canon EOS 50D for repalace my R8. I just tired of whait for one R digital. It was my response to Leica and their poor respect for the R costumers. Now I keep my R8 for some time, but in near future I will sell the camera and lenses. I was , but whitout Leica R digital in near future it was not space for Leica in my bag anymore. Best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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