JHAG Posted September 23, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just received Adobe's mail. CS4 is out. So far, I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade from CS3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted September 23, 2008 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2008 Well that is a surprise, or I've been in a closet. I did even know Adobe was coming out with CS4 yet. It seemed like yesterday I updated to CS3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 23, 2008 Share #3 Posted September 23, 2008 Yea some have been beta testing it for a while ,,,the graphics/multi media mob will be happy with CS4 suite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share #4 Posted September 23, 2008 For photography, strictly, there are some interesting tools, for those who do panoramic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted September 23, 2008 Share #5 Posted September 23, 2008 I barely know how to use the new features on my CS3 Now this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2008 Share #6 Posted September 23, 2008 I barely know how to use the new features on my CS3 Now this! Yes and I only use some of the tool sometimes, much less since switching from a Nikon to the Leica M8. But to keep current I'll probably buy the upgrade. What I will wait for is the REAL release. If you buy now you might have to wait a month to get it. By that time maybe there will be someplace that sells it cheaper then the $199+TAX that Adobe always charges me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #7 Posted September 23, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) And yet again Adobe are ripping off the European buyers. The download for the upgrade is $199 for the US and £163.32 in the UK. $199 is equivalent to £107.35, so where does the extra £56 pound go? I can understand a difference due to VAT, but not so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2008 Share #8 Posted September 23, 2008 I'm only just getting to grips with CS3:( ... I might update, the price is not that over the top and one never knows if might come in handy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted September 23, 2008 Share #9 Posted September 23, 2008 Just received Adobe's mail. CS4 is out.So far, I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade from CS3. Thanks for the info. I do every other release, and I'm due. I'll get the suite because I need Illustrator and the web development tools. I'm considering abandoning Lightroom at the same time. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 23, 2008 I'm considering abandoning Lightroom at the same time Interesting. I use Lightroom and CS3 together. Lightroom to handles the cataloging and raw conversion, CS3 to do everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2008 Share #11 Posted September 23, 2008 Thanks for the info. I do every other release, and I'm due. I'll get the suite because I need Illustrator and the web development tools. I'm considering abandoning Lightroom at the same time. John Me to, on LR. What I can NOT figure out is why doesn't LR, especially LR2, read native PS PSD files, other then those that are flattened or saved with MAX compatibility which increase the file size by over 60-80 MB's with just one layer added. And the fact that if you reopen a PS PSD file and save it with a differnt name you have to RE-Import that file into LR. Really a pain in the posterior. I'd rather use Bridge and straight ACR then LR. I just chatted with Adobe, after loading PS CS4 into my cart, about the REALY release date. Not until late October. I'll wait until then to buy it and more then likely get the boxed version instead of the DL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2008 And the fact that if you reopen a PS PSD file and save it with a differnt name you have to RE-Import that file into LR. You can use the synchronise function to look for any new images and import them. Not as good as the program automatically monitoring selected folders, but you don't have to import the file manually. The advantage of Lightroom in a 2 monitor set up is that you can have the thumbnails on one screen, and a full screen preview of the selected image on another. Don't know if you can do that in Bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2008 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2008 Yes you can no problem, Steve. That is my setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2008 Share #14 Posted September 23, 2008 Interesting. I use Lightroom and CS3 together. Lightroom to handles the cataloging and raw conversion, CS3 to do everything else. Steve maybe I'm not using LR in the right way? But I find the whole idea of having to Import images just to view them a waist of time. Now if you could just go to a folder to view and edit images and then if you needed to import them into, or create, a catalog/library for a specific job or subject and that would store a record of all the images in that particular catalog/library that would be OK. I find myself getting PO'ed everytime I try to use LR as a platform to view, develope and send images to PS to do other work on them. Let alone the lousy prints I get from within LR. Maybe it me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2008 Share #15 Posted September 23, 2008 Yes you can no problem, Steve. That is my setup. Jaapv are you saying you can have thumbnail on one screen and a full preview on another when using Bridge? If so, just like the rest of life "You learn something new everyday, Or your dead". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2008 Share #16 Posted September 23, 2008 Not my idea, Scott Kelby describes it in his book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted September 23, 2008 Share #17 Posted September 23, 2008 Steve maybe I'm not using LR in the right way? But I find the whole idea of having to Import images just to view them a waist of time. Now if you could just go to a folder to view and edit images and then if you needed to import them into, or create, a catalog/library for a specific job or subject and that would store a record of all the images in that particular catalog/library that would be OK.I find myself getting PO'ed everytime I try to use LR as a platform to view, develope and send images to PS to do other work on them. Let alone the lousy prints I get from within LR. Maybe it me? Its you:) Seriously, if your workflow is primarily in PS and you are using Lr just to get raw conversion then you are missing 90% of what Lr is good for. Lr was intended to replace PS for most RAW work. But it depends on your workflow. For me, Bridge is the worst P.O.S ever, absolutely crippled. When you workflow involves metadata, captions, keywords, etc, Lr is the only way to go, or Aperture. I go into PS maybe 5% of the time. The new Lr2 might reduce that even further, or at least the better integration with Cs3-4 and smart layers might make it less painful. Having a folder of processed Tiffs is absolutely not what I need hogging space. But it depends on workflow and how many files you output and to whom. I am sending jpegs via ftp or tiffs via fedex. Usually a dozen or so. Single images, prints, IOW, the strength of PS is not in my workflow. And I find the Lr prints match exactly. I just wish for more Lr plugins like ASkin, BW conversion, etc. For those I do have to go into PS. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted September 23, 2008 Share #18 Posted September 23, 2008 Interesting. I use Lightroom and CS3 together. Lightroom to handles the cataloging and raw conversion, CS3 to do everything else. I like to edit heavily before importing, and LR isn't conducive to that workflow. I wish it had a real browser, or that you could select/import into LR from Bridge. And I shoot relatively small quantities and always end up in PS anyway. LR feels like an extra step. But it really is wonderful for processing large shoots. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted September 24, 2008 Interesting. I use Lightroom and CS3 together. Lightroom to handles the cataloging and raw conversion, CS3 to do everything else. You should try converting with RAW Developer, then import in LR. The difference is absolutely stunning, especially in fine details. Regarding tone neutrality, Aperture is very close, but RAW D. is even superior. Plus RAW D. support replies instantly. Their last answer about exporting from RAW D. to LR or Aperture : "To ensure image color quality is retained in other image editors always export your images with the ICC profile embedded. The "Embed ICC Profile" checkbox in the image export and/or batch processing window should always be enabled (checked). Also always be sure that your image editor has ICC color management enabled (both Lightroom and Aperture should always use ICC color management and I don't believe either has a Preference option for disabling or overriding color management). I generally recommend use of TIFF file format for maximum compatibility with other programs. Currently RAW Developer does not support printing, but printing support is under consideration for a future version. Brian Griffith Iridient Digital" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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