bono0272 Posted September 20, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 20, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) After firmware 1.3, will Leica support the DMR anymore? Seems not since it is not Leica's own developed product. Although I do expect a new firmware that can support using SDHC cards for the DMR, like the new M8 firmware V2.0. Anyway, let's see whether a new R camera will be launched in the coming Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paulmoore Posted September 20, 2008 Share #2 Posted September 20, 2008 I would not say no thankyou to a firmware update for the dmr.. sure it would be nice to use some of the newer sd cards but I don't really have any outstanding issues with the camera.. 1.3 is very nice, thankyouverymuch. I would expect leica to treat the dmr like all their products they "developed", I don't think they look at it as somebody else's.. just because they teamed up with imacon, it only wears the Leica name on it. At this point I don't think that it would be a priority or point to push it further. We now know they must have started on this next camera way back when they decided not to continue with the dmr.. I love christmas in september.. maybe by it, whatever it is, will be in our hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 20, 2008 Share #3 Posted September 20, 2008 There's supposed to have been produced and sold 5,000 DMR backs (I thought it was much less) so there's quite a large group of R users out there. SDHC would be great because that's what you can buy all over, whereas the non-SDHC cards might be a problem later on. And I could for sure put more than 100 shots on a card. I'm flipping around with like ten cards every time I leave the office... If not for any reason, then because the DMR is so unstable when shifting cards. You never know if it's a fast procedure or a restart ;-) ISO wonders and auto WB would be great. As would the Kelvin rating shown on the display so that one can go manual and choose the Kelvin one thinks is better suited. That said, I wouldn't expect firmware releases that improve an already satisfactory product to be free of charge. Why should software be free when you pay for a physical upgrade like the M8.2 upgrade? Nice if it is, but go ahead and charge me 100$ for an update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 20, 2008 Share #4 Posted September 20, 2008 There's supposed to have been produced and sold 5,000 DMR backs (I thought it was much less) so there's quite a large group of R users out there. SDHC would be great because that's what you can buy all over, whereas the non-SDHC cards might be a problem later on. And I could for sure put more than 100 shots on a card. I'm flipping around with like ten cards every time I leave the office... If not for any reason, then because the DMR is so unstable when shifting cards. You never know if it's a fast procedure or a restart ;-) ISO wonders and auto WB would be great. As would the Kelvin rating shown on the display so that one can go manual and choose the Kelvin one thinks is better suited. That said, I wouldn't expect firmware releases that improve an already satisfactory product to be free of charge. Why should software be free when you pay for a physical upgrade like the M8.2 upgrade? Nice if it is, but go ahead and charge me 100$ for an update. I agree that we really should have an update for SDHC because non-SDHC are already more and more difficult to find, for me anyway. With respect to shifting cards, the DMR is not unstable. However, one must turn the unit off before removing and inserting cards, otherwise it will cause some corruption issues. This is clearly outlined in the DMR instructions manual. With respect to the kelvin display, this is already available in Custom and Manual White Balance. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 20, 2008 Share #5 Posted September 20, 2008 I agree that we really should have an update for SDHC because non-SDHC are already more and more difficult to find, for me anyway.... I fully understand the need and benefits that true SDHC support would provide to DMR users. However, I’m not sure that, on this product, adding SDHC support through firmware alone, would be possible. The underling chipset support needs to be in place and I believe that DMR development and production occurred before any chipsets were available to facilitate SDHC and long before the SD 2.0 specification was ratified in early spring 2006. The DMR was released in July 2005. The M8, on the other hand, was still under development after the initial proposal of the SD 2.0 specification (SDHC). Leica always stated that SDHC would come to the M8, even before its release and they never wavered on that stance. Additionally, I do not believe that traditional SD memory cards will go out of production anytime soon. History does not bare this out. I see them everywhere, online and in stores. The marketplace of working SD devices is just too large for manufacturers to ignore. Last time I checked, floppy discs and cassette tape were still available too. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 20, 2008 Share #6 Posted September 20, 2008 I fully understand the need and benefits that true SDHC support would provide to DMR users. However, I’m not sure that, on this product, adding SDHC support through firmware alone, would be possible. The underling chipset support needs to be in place and I believe that DMR development and production occurred before any chipsets were available to facilitate SDHC and long before the SD 2.0 specification was ratified in early spring 2006. The DMR was released in July 2005. The M8, on the other hand, was still under development after the initial proposal of the SD 2.0 specification (SDHC). Leica always stated that SDHC would come to the M8, even before its release and they never wavered on that stance. Additionally, I do not believe that traditional SD memory cards will go out of production anytime soon. History does not bare this out. I see them everywhere, online and in stores. The marketplace of working SD devices is just too large for manufacturers to ignore. Last time I checked, floppy discs and cassette tape were still available too. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos I was afraid someone would say that... well, I am almost certain you are right, but am still holding out a little hope on that front. I just can't remember when I last saw a non-SDHC 4GB card... Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 20, 2008 Share #7 Posted September 20, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I just can't remember when I last saw a non-SDHC 4GB card... Well, keep in mind that a non-SDHC 4GB memory card is also a "non-"Secure Digital card too! It conforms to neither SD 2.0 nor SD 1.1 specification and it would seem to reason that the SD Card Association is doing its best, on as many fronts as possible, to clamp down on deviations and infractions performed by its members. And, yes, they are hard to come by for apparent reason. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 20, 2008 Share #8 Posted September 20, 2008 Well, keep in mind that a non-SDHC 4GB memory card is also a "non-"Secure Digital card too! It conforms to neither SD 2.0 nor SD 1.1 specification and it would seem to reason that the SD Card Association is doing its best, on as many fronts as possible, to clamp down on deviations and infractions performed by its members. And, yes, they are hard to come by for apparent reason. What's galling though is that we've had (non-SDHC) 4GB card support for the DMR since firmware 1.2, and now with 1.3, a truly excellent firmware version I'll hasten to add, we appear no closer to that elusive goal. That said, I've been happily using 2GB SD cards for the last three years with absolutely no ill effects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 20, 2008 Share #9 Posted September 20, 2008 What's galling though is that we've had (non-SDHC) 4GB card support for the DMR since firmware 1.2, and now with 1.3, a truly excellent firmware version I'll hasten to add, we appear no closer to that elusive goal. That said, I've been happily using 2GB SD cards for the last three years with absolutely no ill effects. Yep, I've been using ten “SD Compatible” Transcend 4GB 150x, model TS4GSD150, memory cards for my M8s because I’ve needed the capacity. At least for me, I can trade up to true SDHC cards of even higher capacity and much improved write speeds. If you lived down the street I’d might even entertain providing them to you if and when I felt the need to switch fully to true SDHC cards. Geoff myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 20, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 20, 2008 Yep, I've been using ten “SD Compatible” Transcend 4GB 150x, model TS4GSD150, memory cards for my M8s because I’ve needed the capacity. At least for me, I can trade up to true SDHC cards of even higher capacity and much improved write speeds. If you lived down the street I’d might even entertain providing them to you if and when I felt the need to switch fully to true SDHC cards. Thanks for the info on the Transcend 4GB cards and thanks also for your generous offer. Well, since "down the street" in this case, is, in general, close to 2 days travel by plane, I'll have to find alternate sourcing... Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidowi Posted September 20, 2008 Share #11 Posted September 20, 2008 Will Leica also support us providing a DMR focusing glass with the dark lines vertically aligned in the right way? The R9 / DMR is the first reflex camera with a parallax error! The CCD position is different than the lines printed on the glass and I loose something at the bottom of the picture (horizzontal framing). The first picture shows an old registration test card used a time to set up 3 tubes television cameras. The aspect ratio is different than the DMR one but it was accurately framed, with the camera placed on a tripod, to obtain the small arrows at the top and at the bottom of the card exactly touching the edges of the framing lines as showed in the second picture obtained with several attempts. The result is that at the bottom something is missing. Is this only a my problem? This small error became a big one on symmetrical compositions as well as shooting with wide angle lenses. Guido Wilhelm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/63259-dmr-supports/?do=findComment&comment=660216'>More sharing options...
leicamr Posted September 21, 2008 Share #12 Posted September 21, 2008 Will Leica also support us providing a DMR focusing glass with the dark lines vertically aligned in the right way?The R9 / DMR is the first reflex camera with a parallax error! The CCD position is different than the lines printed on the glass and I loose something at the bottom of the picture (horizzontal framing). The first picture shows an old registration test card used a time to set up 3 tubes television cameras. The aspect ratio is different than the DMR one but it was accurately framed, with the camera placed on a tripod, to obtain the small arrows at the top and at the bottom of the card exactly touching the edges of the framing lines as showed in the second picture obtained with several attempts. The result is that at the bottom something is missing. Is this only a my problem? This small error became a big one on symmetrical compositions as well as shooting with wide angle lenses. Guido Wilhelm I have never noticed any parallax error with my R8 / DMR combo. If any error does exist, compared to my M8, DMR parallax is perfect! I concur with somebody above, that the current 1.3 firmware is fine. I only ever use 2G memory cards, and have no desire to use anything larger. My only criticism of the DMR is the long time delay required to zoom in on an image. Other than that the DMR came out a much more highly polished product than the M8 and M8.2. Until I get the bright line frames upgraded for my M8, the DMR still has a 'brighter shine'! The DMR produces lower noise high ISO files and I have yet to purchase UV filters for my range of R lenses. I wonder if the M9 will be correct 'out of the box'. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psquared Posted September 21, 2008 Share #13 Posted September 21, 2008 Will Leica also support us providing a DMR focusing glass with the dark lines vertically aligned in the right way?The R9 / DMR is the first reflex camera with a parallax error! Guido Wilhelm I also have a similar problem. My frameline is shifted to the left such that I get more than I expect on the left, and the right side gets a little cut off. I constantly have to remind myself that this is going to happen. Now, I don't think it's the focusing screen at fault, because I have used at least 4 different screens with the same right-side cut-off problem. I'm thinking either the focusing screen holder is misaligned or the sensor is not aligned correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evancro Posted September 21, 2008 Share #14 Posted September 21, 2008 Hi, everyone since we`re talking about DMR problems I also have one related to my new 28-90mm lens, the problem appears when I set it to the wider angle aprox. 28~40mm. eg. when the object is set 1m away from me, the focusing screen "says" I should focus it at 1.3m, I do that and get a nice, sharp object in the viewfinder, but when i take a shot its, of course blurred... clues anybody? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 21, 2008 Share #15 Posted September 21, 2008 Hi, everyone since we`re talking about DMR problems I also have one related to my new 28-90mm lens, the problem appears when I set it to the wider angle aprox. 28~40mm. eg. when the object is set 1m away from me, the focusing screen "says" I should focus it at 1.3m, I do that and get a nice, sharp object in the viewfinder, but when i take a shot its, of course blurred... clues anybody? thanks I don't know about any parallax error with the R8/DMR mentioned in a prior post, I've never encountered it with my unit. With respect to your focusing issue, did you try adjusting your diopter settings? Recently I was having a similar issue and could not figure it out until I re-adjusted my diopter settings. Everything fell into place after that. Just a thought. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2008 Share #16 Posted September 21, 2008 Have you checked that your focussing screen is sitting correctly in its frame? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted September 22, 2008 Share #17 Posted September 22, 2008 after shooting yesterday with this thread in my head about the dmr and it's future with support and firmware updates.. I do have a wishlist item to be fixed.. I am sure others have mentioned this but what annoys me is the slow wakeup, I have missed many a shot waiting for the camera to be really on, you think it is on and press the shutter release and nada, zippo, I have notice this is even slower when the battery is getting low.. if anyone knows a sequence or procedure that makes this process faster please post.. and one more thing, speaking of the battery, please improve the indication of battery life, I would not like a car with a fuel gauge that indicated full or half, running out of camera juice should not be a guessing game. reminds me of my 59 vw which had no gauge but a reserve tank lever you pulled when out..that even be an improvement to the current indicator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evancro Posted September 22, 2008 Share #18 Posted September 22, 2008 I`m positive that the focusing screen is in place, btw. I have r9, not 8.. Hmm.. maybe I`ll try playing with the diopter settings and see if that fixes the problem.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidowi Posted September 24, 2008 Share #19 Posted September 24, 2008 I also have a similar problem. My frameline is shifted to the left such that I get more than I expect on the left, and the right side gets a little cut off. I constantly have to remind myself that this is going to happen. Now, I don't think it's the focusing screen at fault, because I have used at least 4 different screens with the same right-side cut-off problem. I'm thinking either the focusing screen holder is misaligned or the sensor is not aligned correctly. Hi Peter, do you use the DMR on a R8 or on a R9? Till today I used the DMR on the R9. Today just to test it I have loaded the DMR on the R8 and here the vertical error is not present. I see only a very very small cut on the left side. I don't think possible that only one R9 (the mine) could have the film window misaligned. Could be possible that all the R9 are the same? Please DMR people, take a short brake with the S2 discussion; what all do you think about? If all the R9 are in this way could be unusefull ask Solms to fix it... or not? Cheers Guido Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted September 24, 2008 Share #20 Posted September 24, 2008 On the tilt, try opening the back and closing it again. I have seen this solve the problem for others in the past. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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