chris_livsey Posted September 5, 2008 Share #21 Posted September 5, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) M2 Regards, Bill Schh.......................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Don'tknowmuch Posted September 5, 2008 Share #22 Posted September 5, 2008 I'm busy talking myself into it... With my Nikon digital I can get everything perfect just like that. And, if it isn't quite perfect I can re-take a shot (landscape). I can then blow it up to A3+ and print off an image in which the resolution means there is nothing wrong with it; it's as sharp at A3+ as it is at 10" x 8". BUT over the last three or four months I've taken about 10 pictures with my Nikon, and about 10 rolls with my Yashica Mat, OM1n Om2SP and, of course, my (malfunctioning) Leica I. These film shots are grainy, difficult, less technically perfect. But I like them more. I have more to do with the shots. Basicaly it boils down to this; It was more me that decided what the image was like than the instrument on which I took the picture. I think many have followed this path. Led by a desire to get right all the stuff that was really tricky with film cameras I went for a system that seemed to provide me with an easy route to that end. Now I am getting to see that it's not about pixels; it's about the whole image. Obvious, I know, but I'm not too proud to admit my journey. Now - I need a cheap M2... Jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semrich Posted September 5, 2008 Share #23 Posted September 5, 2008 Louis, I have the R-D1 and the M8 but I felt the pull to shoot film and got an MP, now I find I prefer shooting film and added an M2 it is very nice. Like the Nike slogan, "Just Do It". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted September 5, 2008 Share #24 Posted September 5, 2008 Talking you out of it? Nope - I can help talking you INTO it, rather I got 2 MPs and am now selling my 2 M8s. I couldn't be happier about my decision. Of course, I still use digital for jobs (D3, D300) but all my M shooting is now done on film (80% BW, self-developed & scanned). Good luck with your decision! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 5, 2008 Share #25 Posted September 5, 2008 James Very eloquently put. I think you've hit on what it is I feel when I see some of my film captures. As to which camera, I'm leaning towards a M4-2 or M4-P with a Leica meter of some kind? Any advice on that sort of choice? LouisB Louis, you won't go wrong with any M of course, but if the meter is important then why not the M6 or M7. If you go for an older body then personally I'd suggest buying a handheld meter - more accurate, potential for incident readings and a flashmeter too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted September 5, 2008 Share #26 Posted September 5, 2008 Dearest Louis, I remember that little boy smile on St Pancras station as you showed me your brand new M8 and carefully explained why you hadn't got on with the M6 and film. We chatted over lunch and you gave me all the reasons this was going to work for you. In the last 12 months the stuff you've produced has been terrific and you've grown ...... WTF went wrong ?? Buy a new lens and carry on. Best intents. Send me a PM and point me to the film images. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted September 6, 2008 Share #27 Posted September 6, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I still shoot my M8 the most, but lately I've been shooting a lot of Efke 25 with my M3 and I bought a MF (the new Fotoman 69) and a boot load of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share #28 Posted September 6, 2008 Dearest Louis, I remember that little boy smile on St Pancras station as you showed me your brand new M8 and carefully explained why you hadn't got on with the M6 and film. We chatted over lunch and you gave me all the reasons this was going to work for you. In the last 12 months the stuff you've produced has been terrific and you've grown ...... WTF went wrong ?? Buy a new lens and carry on. Best intents. Send me a PM and point me to the film images. Rolo Rolo - the voice of reason! OK, firstly nothing has gone wrong, except that I've spent the last 2-3 days looking through my pictures going back over 3 years selecting the best ones. I was surprised, given all the grief I only had with my M6 at how a number of the M6 captures were real crackers. That's what made me think about film again. Also this is not a binary choice. I was thinking of using film as an adjunct to my photography not a replacement for my M8. Now, last night, after submitting the original post, I went through all my M8 pictures. My conclusion? Rolo, gawd bless him is right. The M8 is a phenomenal camera. The printed results (now I've conquered the problems of printing) are nothing short of spectacular. Bottom line, I have some excellent captures from my brief fling with film but I now have a lot of excellent captures from the M8 because I am able to manage the workflow much more easily. Rolo, reminded me of the grief I had with the workflow from film. Life is too short. I've been convinced. Good luck to all of you who have contributed your ideas but I think I'm going to stay in the digital camp (and no, I am not going to buy a M8.2!). LouisB PS Rolo, your Flikr stream is phenomenal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted September 6, 2008 Share #29 Posted September 6, 2008 There is something about my scanned film I can not get with digital. It is very hard to explain, but it seems as if there is a three dimensional quality to it. Digital is flat lacking in charactor. I can get it with any Leica film camera which is why I switched to them decades ago. I have been playing with digital Nikon and have made comparisons with the M8. Neither gets me where I want to go. All digital offers me is convenience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted September 6, 2008 Share #30 Posted September 6, 2008 Lose the M8 and go back to film - it is just so much more rewarding I find. The deferral of gratification and the need to take care with shots due to finite numbers, along with, to my eyes, more pleasing images and grain, are the main reasons. What he said. Trade the M8 on a new MP. Regarding the film vs. digital debate, David Vestal hit the nail on the head: "Compensating for lack of skill with technology is progress toward mediocrity. As technology advances, craftsmanship recedes... The one thing we've gained is spontaneity, which is useless without perception." No other photographic tool maximizes craftsmanship, perception and photographic vision like a film based Leica M does, regardless of whether you're feeding it Tri-X or Velvia. JMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted September 6, 2008 Share #31 Posted September 6, 2008 I'll help talk you out of an M6. Get an MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted September 6, 2008 Share #32 Posted September 6, 2008 What he said. Trade the M8 on a new MP. Regarding the film vs. digital debate, David Vestal hit the nail on the head: No other photographic tool maximizes craftsmanship, perception and photographic vision like a film based Leica M does, regardless of whether you're feeding it Tri-X or Velvia. JMHO. ....and I forgot to mention the much shallower depth of field achievable on my film cameras versus my digilux, and in turn, the bokeh gains depth and subtlety. That is probably the single biggest point in favour of film for me. I don't know if the M8 solves that issue, but I suspect not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_goode Posted September 13, 2008 Share #33 Posted September 13, 2008 Lose the M8 and go back to film - it is just so much more rewarding I find. The deferral of gratification and the need to take care with shots due to finite numbers, along with, to my eyes, more pleasing images and grain, are the main reasons. All so true! My cameras in order of use: MP, M7, and D-Lux 3 when I run out of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 13, 2008 Share #34 Posted September 13, 2008 All so true! My cameras in order of use: MP, M7, and D-Lux 3 when I run out of film. Actually agree 100% In order of use with me, CL,iif,M8/350D Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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