AlanG Posted July 28, 2008 Share #21 Posted July 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry to tell you this but Leica isn't on your schedule. When I read posts like this I'm ashamed to be an American because it just represents what the rest of the world says about us- preachy, impatient, self centered, loud and over bearing. What kind of schedule are they on? Do you know something that we don't know? It seems to me that Leica and you should realize that the customers are self centered. What other kind of customer is there? And if you needed it several years ago, whether you are a patient person or not is irrelevant. Damn loud Americans... complaining all of the time and having the audacity to preach to a company about what they need and when they need it. I think Leica should ignore anyone who talks this way. It will serve him right, "No SOUP for YOU." Geez, doesn't waiting 2+ years demonstrate enough patience? I couldn't wait for Nikon to make a full frame camera and switched to Canon 5 years ago. If I had been a Leica shooter, I certainly could not have stuck with them past 2003 regardless of how good the lenses may be. I'd be long out of business by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted July 28, 2008 Share #22 Posted July 28, 2008 Yes I know about Photokina. But what will happen there? It seems as if people think that Photokina will provide answers. What makes you think that is so? What happens if Leica doesn't introduce a DSLR or provide any info pro or con about one at that date? I think stnami has got it right ... it's called "The Announcement". If they choose to stay mum that's also a good announcement, well, some sort of. What do you think the odds are that Leica will have a competitive DSLR body for use with R lenses or a new reflex system, available for delivery in 2008? What about 2009? I have no answer to your other questions ... if dealers have got some strong hints they would have started taking pre-orders already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgfenn Posted July 28, 2008 Share #23 Posted July 28, 2008 I absolutely agree! I have been using Leica camers for over twenty years and have enjoyed every minute. I am disturbed that Leica has not provided a road map to future product development and released details regarding the photokina release. Do they not know that old time users, like myself are loosing faith? Are they so arrogant that they believe competitors like canon and nikon are no threat? Their pro optics are very good, but not yet up to Leica standards. However, I recently shot with a Canon 5D (old technology by canon standards with my leica glass: WOW!. I have been using my Leica glass with my canon 40D: wow! But I want autofocus and a quick response. I was recently at the Nasa lauch site in florida and missed the shuttle shot due to exposure under compensation due to manual everything. Frankly I missed the shot because me and my canon and leica lens could not keep up. This would never had happened if I did not have to shot manual everything. Yes I can hear all the old timers: I am getting older and my reaction times are off. Wake up boys! Nikon and Canon did not almost go into bankrupcy: you did! Your business model is outdated and apparently so is your communciations director. Frankly, I expected more from the Leica I knew! It will be too bad that when Leica gets around to announcing something, many will have converted over to the D700 or the new Canon 5D mark II. Do they not care that the Leica market is contracting, not expanding? Yes I will continue to wait. Yes I will continue to hope and yes I wish to could go over to Germany and fire the entire board for their incompitence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted July 28, 2008 Share #24 Posted July 28, 2008 A few development leaks would be appreciated. Still, with their top digital products, Leica has announced too early (DMR) and been roasted, and has shipped to early (M8) and been roasted. They've likely decided the way to get the fewest flames is to stay silent a bit longer than in the past. If Leica manages to produce a compact full-frame DSLR that produces great image quality, they'll be the smallest company ever to have made such a camera. They'll be one of the smallest companies to have produced any sort of DSLR, in fact. Leica makes some beautiful, overpriced, unique products. If they do make a DSLR that has some unique characteristics, I hope it is successful enough to provide whatever cash is needed to complete the M9. Later, Clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2008 Share #25 Posted July 28, 2008 Indeed these back seat drivers are a bit ridiculous:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanax Posted July 28, 2008 Share #26 Posted July 28, 2008 Funny Indeed! Backseat drivers, moneyless speculators, weekend warriors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 28, 2008 Share #27 Posted July 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes I will continue to wait. Yes I will continue to hope and yes I wish to could go over to Germany and fire the entire board for their incompitence. Before you could do that, you'd need to learn to spell properly first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 28, 2008 Share #28 Posted July 28, 2008 Andy Piper described the wait for the M8 announcement as the dog-days of summer, nothing to do but take the shade and a cold beer and muse over what might or might not be happening in Solms. Here we are, two years later wondering what, if anything, Leica is doing about the R. I don't think they can duck the issue at Photokina. If there's no statement of direction, many will assume the R is dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 28, 2008 Share #29 Posted July 28, 2008 If there's no statement of direction, many will assume the R is dead. Difficult to disagree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted July 28, 2008 Share #30 Posted July 28, 2008 If Leica manages to produce a compact full-frame DSLR that produces great image quality, they'll be the smallest company ever to have made such a camera. They'll be one of the smallest companies to have produced any sort of DSLR, in fact. Clyde They already did - its called the DMR. It's not their fault that they were shafted by Hasselblad and had to suspend production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcorton Posted July 28, 2008 Share #31 Posted July 28, 2008 I suspect there are many on the forum with profiles similar to my own: semi-pro/amateur who appreciate quality and who have managed to outfit themselves with Leica, but who cannot well afford frequent kit makeovers. And so we watch, wait and wonder when Leica will introduce something to satisfy both our loyalty (for lack of a better word) and our Nikannon envy. Fine. I assume the pros have just bought the tools they've needed (whether DMR, M8, Cannon, Nikon, Hasselblad, or whatever), and gotten on with work. Also fine. I intend no offence to anyone, but what I find odd is the wingeing (sp?) about a product that doesn't exist--as if its non-existence were a human rights abuse. Having the desire for a product and the money to buy it does not constitute a right to that product--even if it does exist. As for Dr. Kauffmann, he could well be the best thing to happen to Leica since Ernst Leitz II. Making the company (almost) private again means that Dr. Kauffmann can afford to develop a long-term strategy rather than sacrificing long-term interests to stockholders' demands for immediate profits. That--I understand--is a good thing for those of us who want the company to survive. And I'm confident that no one wants the company to survive more than Dr. Andreas Kauffmann. The company's failures or fortunes are Dr. Kauffmann's own. Its his money he's working with. Sure, we would all appreciate a few information leaks, but I have no idea what the impact of such leaks might be for Leica. If it takes company A four years to develop a product that its competitors can develop and market in six months, then company A might have good resons to keep a tight lip about developments. Of course Leica has always been secretive, even back in the Leitz days. But companies also enjoy profits, and if an early announcement could coax potential customers to hang around and wait for a release rather than patronize a competitor, then there must be other compelling reasons if a company is not making that early announcement. Arrogance is probably not one of those reasons. I understand the frustrations and strong feelings that swirl around a brand like Leica that, for whatever reason (pride of ownership, cash-outlay, identity enhancement), also tends to become a darling of its devotees. But please let's remain civil to other members of the forum, and to the Leica folks. We all want similar things. peace, Brent C. Orton (the other Brent) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 28, 2008 Share #32 Posted July 28, 2008 DMR wasn't full frame of course but the new Kodak sensor used in the 50Mp Hasselbad - effectively double 135 frame size suggests they could produce a 135 frame size quite easily. I don't subscribe to the view that Hasselblad did a dirty on Leica. They bought Imacon for a reason which presumably was to enhance their own products not get a revenue stream from Leica; if they decided they no longer wished to pursure the relationship with Leica, that's their business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted July 28, 2008 Share #33 Posted July 28, 2008 I don't think they can duck the issue at Photokina. If there's no statement of direction, many will assume the R is dead. It leaves everything to look forward to. Dog days of summer, maybe quite apt. No doubt there'll be 3 groups after Photokina: - Those who are delighted with the new and superb D range, DSLR and the fixed and enhanced crop factored M8.2. - Those who will whine that a class leading, high pixel count, FF+, AF DSLR wasn't needed and that the price of the R range focus confirmation lens adapters are far toooo expensive. - Those who want their M8's to be completely 'upgraded' to the latest spec and will be told this cannot be done. Leica's 2009 product range is going to 'kick ass' !! Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 28, 2008 Share #34 Posted July 28, 2008 This is getting ridiculous .... not yet wait until comment # 74 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted July 28, 2008 Share #35 Posted July 28, 2008 But please let's remain civil to other members of the forum, and to the Leica folks. We all want similar things. peace, Brent C. Orton (the other Brent) Amen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted July 28, 2008 Share #36 Posted July 28, 2008 Leica is Quality, you need to wait for it, if you can't wait, go over to the fast and frequent digital outlets, I am sure Nikon, Canon and others can give you what you desire. I love the R system and I will stick with it, if Leica produces the R10 or what ever, I will Look at it's general performance, most likely it will be Excellent but Expensive. So in the mean time I will continue to use what the R system was intended for (film) After all they are delicious and always satisfy my general needs. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted July 28, 2008 Share #37 Posted July 28, 2008 DMR wasn't full frame of course but the new Kodak sensor used in the 50Mp Hasselbad - effectively double 135 frame size suggests they could produce a 135 frame size quite easily. I don't subscribe to the view that Hasselblad did a dirty on Leica. They bought Imacon for a reason which presumably was to enhance their own products not get a revenue stream from Leica; if they decided they no longer wished to pursure the relationship with Leica, that's their business. I think it is important to know that it was imacon who bought hasselblad, sure they kept the hasselbald badge, but imacon runs the new hasselblad. I also think it is good news last month to hear of leica's relationship with jenopik - "deeping of their partnership" this official announcement looks like they have paved the way to a production run. Even though it won't be a surprise I do hope leica has some good news for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the warrior Posted July 28, 2008 Share #38 Posted July 28, 2008 Members of Leica, Leica users, possessors of Leica ...., .....DON´T FEED THE TROLL !!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 28, 2008 Share #39 Posted July 28, 2008 Don't worry warrior, we won't even feed you a mere morsel, we can see the sign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2008 Share #40 Posted July 28, 2008 I think it is important to know that it was imacon who bought hasselblad, sure they kept the hasselbald badge, but imacon runs the new hasselblad. “Bought” implies that money changed from one party to the other, and in that sense, it was Hasselblad buying Imacon, not the other way round. Still, the CEO of Hasselbad was CEO of Imacon before, so it had been the same CEO entering the partnership with Leica who was terminating it later. But that’s business; when two vendors decide to go part of the way together, there is no “till death do us part” clause involved. Anyway, I think the main reason the production of the DMR was stopped was that the demand simply didn’t warrant manufacturing another batch. The DMR continued to be available for a couple of months after Leica’s decision, and I am not aware that anyone desperately wanting a DMR didn’t get one. Even though it won't be a surprise I do hope leica has some good news for us. Leica will tell us in 8 weeks time; whether we will like what they tell us about their plans in the DSLR segment remains to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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