jackart Posted September 16, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 16, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leaving aside M8, why to upgrade from D2 to D3???? I found only 3 reasons: - Usable ISO's over 200 - Shooting speed, RAW buffer 6 shots and unlimited with jpeg - more film-like DOF What doesn't matter: - resolution is practically the same in 2:3, so no reason for upgrade - D2 lens is ok for me, not going to shoot birds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dugby Posted September 16, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 16, 2006 I too am contemplating this question..... 1. OIS 2. potentially new range of different focal length lenses 3. Optical viewfinder 4. improved Venus-III chip 5. vastly better images over D2 vrs 1. Mirror Slap 2. losing an f-stop (f2.0 Sumicron versus f2.8 Elmarit) 3. Heavier (D2 is 705g, the D3+Vario elmarit, I'm guessing is about 1300g) 4. 3x price of the value of my D2 Looks like my D2 has just become a compact Digilux ....!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 16, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 16, 2006 You can't use your R lenses on the D2 but the D3 is perfect for that. Bingo... okay that wins! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotmaesron Posted September 16, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 16, 2006 Hopefully better file quality in higher ISO, with the bigger CCD. If he dos that, i sell my D2 . Fotmaesron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted September 16, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 16, 2006 5 MP on a 2/3" chip vs. 7.5 MP on a 4/3" chip. That should be a substantial improvement in pixel size, and Panasonic/Leica are to be praised for not engaging in pixel-stuffing. The leaked roadmap for D lens development promises an f/1.4 25mm prime next year! An optical viewfinder (even if it's a small, rather dim one due to the porro mirror system) is a blessing vs the tiny television in the D2 eyepiece. Better, faster raw performance (although Leica had better fix a flaw in the Panasonic version's software, which lacks a dynamic buffer). OIS Those are ample reasons, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_rob Posted September 16, 2006 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2006 Indeed, the D3 is a vast improvement across the board over the D2. I just have one reservation (if price is no issue). Switching from a silent, small and lightweight compact to a noisy, bigger dSLR is a step not everyone is prepared to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted September 16, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 16, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) what was the question? d-lux or digilux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_rob Posted September 16, 2006 Share #8 Posted September 16, 2006 Digilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted September 16, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 16, 2006 How long before we get some prime lenses for the D3? German made? Regards. Ed. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted September 16, 2006 Share #10 Posted September 16, 2006 Jaak remember the D-System started from the Digilux 1. The Digilux 2 was a big step away from the original D1. Leica has only furthered this tradition. I agree with Rob. The D2 is a very stealthy camera. Ed if my memory serves me the evolution chart posted some months back showing the Pana L1 lenses coming down the pike the primes were listed for 2007. Though the 25mm(?) prime may have been listed to possibly be announced late 2006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 16, 2006 Share #11 Posted September 16, 2006 Has anyone had any information as to the likely availability of the D3 at Photokina. I sold my D2 about 6 months ago and I am suffering withdrawal symptoms. The Sony R1 I am using takes very good photos but it is a nasty plasticy thing plus it has no IS. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted September 17, 2006 Share #12 Posted September 17, 2006 I shall wait till the primes and smaller lens surfaced before I decide. At an SLR level, I've just so many choose... Afterall the D3 is such a bulk when compared the D2. Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_rob Posted September 17, 2006 Share #13 Posted September 17, 2006 I shall wait till the primes and smaller lens surfaced before I decide. At an SLR level, I've just so many choose... Yes, that's why I am pondering skipping the D3 altogether and going the "heretic" way from D2 to 5D (full-frame Canon dSLR). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffshen Posted September 17, 2006 Share #14 Posted September 17, 2006 well~ I'm still thinking as well... Somehow for me my Digilux2 is a forever camera, but I also have E1... Not to upgrade: - Digilux3 is heavier - Digilux3 has only 1 lens to use now - Digilux2 is Summicron - 5MP is good enough (Both Digilux2 and E1) - Digilux2 looks nicer (somehow the lens on Digilux3 plus the body looks strange to me) - Not so interesting lens roadmap except 25mm Summilux, but that's next year - ... ... I have E1 already... - I don't know about Digilux3, but E1's auto-focus is really bad, slower than Digilux2... - ... ... I already has the same focal length lens (14-54) Reason to upgrade: - OIS - Optical viewfinder - Better white balance - Leica Lens So... for me... Maybe I won't buy it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 17, 2006 Share #15 Posted September 17, 2006 While the Digilux moniker has been applied to a very diverse range of cameras, each dramatically removed from the previous, Leica really hit on something new, yet very philosophically Leica like with the Digilux 2 and now has lost it with the Digilux 3. The Digilux 2 opened up new doors and photographic possibilities that could be applied to and compliment Leica’s traditional domain of reportage type photography. Silent non-obtrusive operation, immediate interaction, compactness and an enhanced ability to capture live action at non-eye level perspectives. Will a Digilux 4 be as equally different as a photographic tool from the Digilux 3? Would Leica then abandon the SLR approach for something as equally diverse, or will they let it settle down and learn to refine and enhance what they have rather than take a reinventing the wheel approach? This has all been very un-Leica like. Leica did not need to reinvent the Digilux. They had a diamond in the rough already. The new and exciting capabilities discovered just needed to be polished, not discarded. While the new Digilux 3 finally provides Leica with an needed auto-focus SLR solution, this is not the role that I believe the Digilux label was to assume. One valid solutions was simple sacrifice for another. I, myself will be transitioning to a M8 system. Originally, I had transitioned from a SLR setup to a M2 setup but I found it just, if not more liberating in going from the M2 to the Digilux 2. Back to the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 17, 2006 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2006 indeed I think the name is a little misplaced and it leaves no room for a issue resolved Digilux 2 which I would have preferred give as much as what 7 or 8Mp maybe an interchangeable lens to 4/3, maybe, or just a tad wider fixed zoom or just plain deal with the noise and offer higher iso and a free LCD so I suppose the M8 is the ultimate upgrade as was pointed out Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_rob Posted September 17, 2006 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2006 Exactly my thoughts, Geoff. Digilux 2 has been fine, uniquely Leica product. It deserved refinement, beefing up and updating - not replacement. Switching an entire concept to a dSLR was a sad miss on the part of Leica Camera. I think that the D3 is an excellent product, but it doesn't belong in the Digilux line. Perhaps they didn't want people to be distracted from their new digital "M" line?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 17, 2006 Share #18 Posted September 17, 2006 For many reasons I doubt I will upgrade my D2. Where it fails to meet specific requirements I resort to scanning my M3, M6 and CM slides which give far superior results to any currently available and affordable digital camera. You can tell that I am a conservative photographer who enjoys using tried and tested well-proven equipment. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted September 18, 2006 Share #19 Posted September 18, 2006 Why it comes up to the current D3? It is Panasonic which holds the product development of this line. And their interest is on 4/3 DSLR rather than a compact D2 refinement, IMHO. D2 will be a classic of its own niche, one of a kind, maybe right until Leica launches its own Digital CL/CM, if even they plan to in future. Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #20 Posted September 18, 2006 "For many reasons I doubt I will upgrade my D2." Neither will I as there is nothing to upgrade to##!!!!. As far as I am concerned the camera is a DSLR and they can call it a D2.8765 for all I care but it's not a upgrade and a completly different camera. Atleast the D1 and D2 were members of the same genus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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