earleygallery Posted September 11, 2006 Share #21 Posted September 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) yes, and as has been pointed out in another thread, how come you don't see that door catch/bump from the top view of the camera? FAKE there, I've said it. No way would Leica design something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #22 Posted September 11, 2006 Okay guys,,, Leica = red, Zeiss = blue... Repeat after me... Leica = red, Zeiss = blue. Unless they fail to have color coordination like Martha Stewy, then I doubt that Leica would be foolish to fail not to dot the i's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share #23 Posted September 11, 2006 ...FAKE there, I've said it. No way would Leica design something like that. Wrong and true i'm afraid. It is the real camera but it looks more like a Panasonic than like a Leica... ... so far ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 11, 2006 Share #24 Posted September 11, 2006 That bad a design? Too unleica like how?, looks ok to me!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 11, 2006 Share #25 Posted September 11, 2006 Again, that silly looking back door can't be seen on the photos of the camera in the case. Surely the case would foul the catch and it would be inaccessible. Another thing, the blue dot whatever it is looks far too near the corner edge of the top plate, that would be a very weak point in the casting. I'm waiting to be proven wrong on Friday.............FAKES THEY'RE ALL FAKES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted September 11, 2006 Share #26 Posted September 11, 2006 i have been thinking that this whole M8 situation is hilarious in so many ways, the pre-hype to the official hype, the puzzle, our speculation and obsession about everything M8 like, the question of whether the M8 images are fake or composites etc. i'm guilty as anyone of being a kid looking forward to xmas and it has been fun. though the question of the M8 photos is so interesting. i have been thinking that we live in an age where image manipulation is so common (and is even assumed) and the technology to manipulate is so easily accessible (and we all can do it), that the authenticity of anything online is questionable until it's in fact proven not to be fake. i think we have been conditiond to automatically look for the "fakeness" of a photo for instance. we have become so jaded! hah. so... a more clever fake could in fact seem more real than the real thing, if the real thing is clumsily presented online? hahah....oh man. the sociology/psychology of the internet age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #27 Posted September 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) What would be more hilarious or scary is if Zeiss actually bought out Leica and we shareholders didn't know about it... :eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 11, 2006 Share #28 Posted September 11, 2006 What would be more hilarious or scary is if Zeiss actually bought out Leica and we shareholders didn't know about it... :eek: No, actually Apple is buying out Leica. What do you think their big presence and scheduled announcement at Photokina is all about, Aperture 2.0? Steve Jobs figured it made sense since both companies strive for excellence, are not always fully understood by the general public and press, and have fervently loyal customer bases to the degree of almost cult like proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 11, 2006 Share #29 Posted September 11, 2006 No, actually Apple is buying out Leica So would that mean after i just purchased 3 macs in the last 2 months i would get a coupn for a M8. Sounds good to me. LOL Apple and Aperture 2.0 i think is what will be announced from all reports. Until they support the DMR DNG files i won't even look at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 11, 2006 Share #30 Posted September 11, 2006 No, actually Apple is buying out Leica So would that mean after i just purchased 3 macs in the last 2 months i would get a coupn for a M8. Sounds good to me. LOL Apple and Aperture 2.0 i think is what will be announced from all reports. Until they support the DMR DNG files i won't even look at it. Yes, I think there will be an Aperture related announcement and maybe more. I would like to see the rumored video iPod, with the full size display, behave as a true, fast loading, image wallet device along with SD/SDHC memory card support. Wake me, I'm dreaming. I think the Leica M8 will be one of the hottest products at Photokina. I use Aperture extensively, but also plan to get a full M8 system. Apple is surely going to know how important it is to support Leica products, especially when showing their face at a big German photo expo. It would be quite embarrassing for Apple, with the M8 being one of the expected hits of the show, to not announcing support for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #31 Posted September 11, 2006 Isn't there already a hack for Aperture to read DNG files now? I'm sure that you can download something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 11, 2006 Share #32 Posted September 11, 2006 There maybe a hack for it but from what i learned once it goes into Aprture it changes the file and can't use it to processs somewhere else. Sorry no program is going to mess around with my Raw files. i need more info on this program . The other thing is it won't see multiple drives and again that is another issue i have files on 6 drives. So maybe there is some Apeture folks around that may shed some light on this Frankly we need a Raw processing session , with the new M8 coming there will be a load of new folks trying to figure this whole thing out with Color Management, Shooting techniques and raw processing, Storage and many other items . if they really want to provide support for the M and the R this is a area that our Mods really should consider. The M8 folks are seriously want to hear from the DMR folks that have been here and done that. I guess you can call this a request. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted September 11, 2006 Share #33 Posted September 11, 2006 Hopefully the new Leica M8 will come bundled with something more than Photoshop Lite Edition (LE). A special "Leica version" of Capture One (PRO or LE) would be nice. See Phase One - Digital camera software - Digital SLR - Capture One About that "blue dot", the fact that a blueish cast can be seen at a certain angle indicates that Leica spend some time and energy designing an effective anti-reflection coating on that small lens (assuming again that the whole thing is not fake of course ...). Why Leica would do do this is yet another mystery... The plot thickens !! Meanwhile, here are some suggestions what purpose this BLUE DOT might serve: - UV sensor for wireless remote-control - flashing light for self-timer (see pic of "M8" top for self-timer pictogram) - light sensor (for incident light or flash??) - external sensor to help calculate WB (the wide gray band on one of the shutter blades might actually be for WB calculation - who knows?) - finally, to keep away ZI users ... ;-) One thing is sure - if this thing is a fake, someone went through a lot of trouble spreading disinformation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaeoboy Posted September 11, 2006 Share #34 Posted September 11, 2006 This thread has alot of discussion about a secondary LCD for information like framecounter etc. I read somewhere else that the rear LCD wont be real time so you cant frame with it. Wouldnt you just put all the display info up on the rear LCD as its not being used until file playback? I could be way of base here but thats the first thing that came to mind to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #35 Posted September 11, 2006 Hey hey hey, ZI kicks butt too! Geewhiz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 11, 2006 Share #36 Posted September 11, 2006 Joel that is real possible , reason i mentioned this . if you did a half push of the shutter that info could come in the back any time you want. Think in terms of shooting . If you grabed the camera from your shoulder and hit the shutter half way on the LCD the Frames remaining, mode you are in, ISO, battery condition, WB and whatever else needed than if there was a change needed you hit one of the four command buttons and the dial to change it than hit the exit button or release the shutter and it would be set. say like you wanted to change the ISO for example than go ahead and shoot than the preview shows with histogram. This is one way they could have done it. That info must be available somehow without major surgery to get it. if you have to dig into a menu item than it is worthless, it must be a fast setup to work. The other is it all could be in the viewfinder and than go to the 4 command buttons again to work it that way. Honestly without a second LCD that is really the only options that i see . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share #37 Posted September 11, 2006 ...there may be some suprises regarding the way the M8 works that aren't apparent from simply looking at the camera. Touch wood, otherwise the lack of iso control and top LCD looks totally stupid IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted September 12, 2006 Share #38 Posted September 12, 2006 There maybe a hack for it but from what i learned once it goes into Aprture it changes the file and can't use it to processs somewhere else. Sorry no program is going to mess around with my Raw files. i need more info on this program . The other thing is it won't see multiple drives and again that is another issue i have files on 6 drives. So maybe there is some Apeture folks around that may shed some light on this Frankly we need a Raw processing session , with the new M8 coming there will be a load of new folks trying to figure this whole thing out with Color Management, Shooting techniques and raw processing, Storage and many other items . if they really want to provide support for the M and the R this is a area that our Mods really should consider. The M8 folks are seriously want to hear from the DMR folks that have been here and done that. I guess you can call this a request. LOL There is not a hack specific to DNG files themselves. As I currently understand it, DNG files are wrapper files that contain separate components. This includes one component for the Raw image data and another for detail specific to the camera itself which is needed to conduct a Raw conversion. This second bit of information can be proprietary. That's why Aperture needs to support the original Raw file in the first place before it can read and display a generated DNG file from the same source camera. Actually, other Raw conversion programs have to handle DNG files under the same terms too. The illusion stems for the fact that Adobe does a very good job at supporting the proprietary Raw files from the broadest range of cameras, in the first place, and thus by default enables the support of DNG files from these cameras. Even Rawshooter notes on there supported camera list which DNG files are supported and which are not. I know that this may fly in the face of conventual perception of what DNG are and the associative benefits, but this is the information I have come across in attempting to thoroughly investigate the issue. However, Apple certainly does need to work together with camera manufacturers in expanding the list of supported cameras. I would term this a top priority that directly affects Aperture even though it is not resident to Aperture itself. One of the advantages of Aperture is that it most certainly does not mess with the original Raw files, with a clear emphasis on non-destructive editing and workflow. Raw data remains intact with changes stored separately in a sidecar file. I have found that this one fact alone has enable me to work infinitely faster than any other solution out there. It is a joy to easily and quickly pull off and produces variants from a single master Raw file. All the changes are stored as sidecar files containing just the instructions of the actions performed. Only upon export is a new image file actually created, be it TIFF, JPEG, PSD, etc. The original Raw file remains untouched. Additionally, Apple is working on multiple drive support. Actually, Aperture can support multiple drives. The current problem is that it cannot support a single Library across multiple drives. There are drive spanning solutions currently offered, but I would steer clear of them for various reliability reasons. The Aperturetrick.com website has a good article on this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted September 12, 2006 Share #39 Posted September 12, 2006 "One of the advantages of Aperture is that it most certainly does not mess with the original Raw files, with a clear emphasis on non-destructive editing and workflow. Raw data remains intact with changes stored separately in a sidecar file. I have found that this one fact alone has enable me to work infinitely faster than any other solution out there." Same thing can be done with Adobe CS2. All corrections in a side car file and the original RAW file data remains as shot. You can specify that the sidecar files be visable or hidden. Every file format of every camera I've shot with opens in CS2 ACR ... including Leaf Aptus and even Imacon files. NO other program does that, including Aperture and C1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 12, 2006 Share #40 Posted September 12, 2006 Again, that silly looking back door can't be seen on the photos of the camera in the case. Surely the case would foul the catch and it would be inaccessible. Another thing, the blue dot whatever it is looks far too near the corner edge of the top plate, that would be a very weak point in the casting. Ain't no fakes, James! 1) back door: Like the strap protectors, it can't be seen from above--matter of parallax. Rear angle makes it look big simply because it's near the edge and the image was shot with a wide-angle. 2) blue dot for sure shot: You're right, it's in a corner; but you're also right, it's a casting. All parts of a casting have equal thickness. Have you ever tried to dent that top edge? You can ding it and you can dang it, but you can't dent it! If it's an (ugh) LED to illuminate the subject in low light, it won't take up much space. Probably it's an IR diode to say "Hi" to other M8s, anyway. Pure speculation, of course. Friday morning we'll know. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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