4season Posted March 25, 2008 Share #21 Posted March 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) From their website: COLORSPACE displays the embedded JPEG image found in the RAW image, with good reason. (stuff deleted) That's good reasoning, but Colorspace and Colorspace 0 are different products, and Ray's right in saying that the embedded thumbnail image is tiny and only fills a small part of a 4" screen. I suppose it's possible for a raw file to contain more than one embedded JPEG but was under the impression the M8 didn't do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 Hi 4season, Take a look here Fast Portable File Storage. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mboerma Posted March 25, 2008 Share #22 Posted March 25, 2008 The embedded thumbnail is often a medium sized JPEG. This should be more than enough for the small screen to fill and even zoom a little. This is also used by for example Aperture 2 when you use the quick view mode. I just was informed by a dealer in Holland that the Vosonic VP5500 also supports the M8 files (- 4memory.nl) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted March 25, 2008 Share #23 Posted March 25, 2008 That's good reasoning, but Colorspace and Colorspace 0 are different products, and Ray's right in saying that the embedded thumbnail image is tiny and only fills a small part of a 4" screen. I suppose it's possible for a raw file to contain more than one embedded JPEG but was under the impression the M8 didn't do that? From my understanding they both work the same way. Neither my Mac nor my PC could render a raw image that fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted March 25, 2008 Share #24 Posted March 25, 2008 From my understanding they both work the same way. Neither my Mac nor my PC could render a raw image that fast. My new iMac does: In fact, it's faster than that with Preview, and even Aperture moves briskly. Not to shabby for the SLOWEST Core 2 Duo model currently offered, with only the stock 1 gigabyte of RAM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted March 25, 2008 Share #25 Posted March 25, 2008 My new iMac does: In fact, it's faster than that with Preview, and even Aperture moves briskly. Not to shabby for the SLOWEST Core 2 Duo model currently offered, with only the stock 1 gigabyte of RAM. My new iMac is fast as well, what I said was that even it could not render a raw image as fast as the colorspace appears to. The discussion was wether it is rendering the raw and displaying it or displaying the embeded jpeg. When I questioned them I was told it displayed the embeded jpeg for all supported raw formats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotomiguel Posted March 25, 2008 Share #26 Posted March 25, 2008 Thank you for the good information! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photolandscape Posted March 25, 2008 Share #27 Posted March 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hate to be a naysayer, but as a recent adopter of the device being discussed here (Hyperdrive ColorSpace), I must offer a dissenting opinion. I would agree that it is very fast at uploading files from an SD card. And it is great that you can buy high capacity versions of the hard drive--120, 160, even 250GB. That's the good news. Beyond that, I feel the build quality is way under what I've seen from similar Epson and Wolverine Data products. Can't comment on the Jobo's, though the latest models seem very substantial. The Hyperdrive has a very cheap feel to it. The Hyperdrive's LCD--particularly compared to the Epson units, is very mediocre. You can see you've captured an image, and can enlarge it, but it is very coarse. So far, my Hyperdrive records my M8 files (with latest firmware installed) in both jpeg and .tiff formats, but it doesn't display a list of the .tiff files--just the jpegs, so until you download from the Hyperdrive to a larger computer, you have no clear assurance that the .tiffs are there. However, as the SD card is downloaded, you can see that the jpegs and tiffs are both on the card and being downloaded. All in all, it's not really bad, but I certainly think it could be substantially better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted March 25, 2008 Share #28 Posted March 25, 2008 Hate to be a naysayer, but as a recent adopter of the device being discussed here (Hyperdrive ColorSpace), I must offer a dissenting opinion. I would agree that it is very fast at uploading files from an SD card. And it is great that you can buy high capacity versions of the hard drive--120, 160, even 250GB. That's the good news. Beyond that, I feel the build quality is way under what I've seen from similar Epson and Wolverine Data products. Can't comment on the Jobo's, though the latest models seem very substantial. The Hyperdrive has a very cheap feel to it. The Hyperdrive's LCD--particularly compared to the Epson units, is very mediocre. You can see you've captured an image, and can enlarge it, but it is very coarse. So far, my Hyperdrive records my M8 files (with latest firmware installed) in both jpeg and .tiff formats, but it doesn't display a list of the .tiff files--just the jpegs, so until you download from the Hyperdrive to a larger computer, you have no clear assurance that the .tiffs are there. However, as the SD card is downloaded, you can see that the jpegs and tiffs are both on the card and being downloaded. All in all, it's not really bad, but I certainly think it could be substantially better. I agree it does feel cheap but it seems to stand up to some fairly abusive handleing. I also have an Epson 2000 and the colorspace is way faster. I find that even the great screen of the Epson is no place to evaluate images. I can tell on my M8 or my 1D if an image should be deleted but true evaluation can only be done on my computer. I take a Macbook with me on trips and I only use it for general weeding. If an image is a maybe I wait till I am home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted March 26, 2008 Share #29 Posted March 26, 2008 I acquired a HyperDrive Colorspace case and installed a separately purchased 250GB Western Digital “Scorpio” 2.5" IDE/ATA interface hard drive just prior to a three and a half week tour, up and down the USA East Coast, from which I have just returned. Combined cost for the Colorspace case and a 250GB Western Digital hard drive was just under USD $325.ºº, or about a USD $135.ºº savings than if I had purchased HyperDrive Colorspace (250GB version) directly. Altogether, working day and night, I shot and off loaded over 11,000 images, in Leica M8 .DNG format, to the HyperDrive Colorspace. Additionally, all images were backed-up to an external hard drive attached to a MacBook Air running Aperture 2.0.1. The HyperDrive Colorspace was basically used as the first line of image protection until files could be transferred, from memory card, into Aperture at a more convenient time and location. As such, I worked in tandem with ten Transcend 4GB X150 “SD Compatible” memory cards, TS4GSD150. My basic workflow consisted of shooting to memory cards, without interruption, and then copying from memory cards to the HyperDrive Colorspace while traveling, and finally backing up to an external hard drive through a MacBook Air and Aperture. The combined setup and workflow, utilizing memory cards, HyperDrive, and MacBook Air w/external hard drive provided me the ability to operate as unrestricted as possible, without image transfer downtimes, during each event I was shooting, and afforded me a flexible and accommodating two stage solution for fail-safe image protection while out on-the-road for an extended period of time. Transfer time for a full 4GB memory card was about 14 minutes. Geoff MySpace.com - g e o f f - 101 - Männlich - PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA - www.myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share #30 Posted March 26, 2008 Guys there may be some confusion here. I know nothing about the Colorspace. My comments are all about the Colorspace 0, which is a brand new model just shipping in the USA at this moment. Transfer speed is also based on the speed of the card that you use. This is straight from the manual Sandisk Extreme III/IV CF or equivalent speed cards can acheive the maximum transfer rate of 25MB/sec. It took me just a little over 4 minutes to completely download a full 4 GB Hoodman 300x CF card without using the verification feature. The Epson screens and build feel are better than the Colorspace 0. That is absolutely true. However, the Epson does not support my M8 or D3. I looked up in the manual what it says about the 100% Preview. (BTW - I really do hate having to read manuals. ) "When you view a photo full screen, ColorSpace 0 will first display a low-resolution version while it is scanning in a high-resolution version to the display screen. At the same time, ColorSpace 0 is obtaining all the necessary information required to allow zooming, EXIF, and histogram display. Depending on the photo file size, this process typically takes between a few seconds to ten seconds. In order to reduce the loading time, ColorSpace 0 is able to cache an optimized 252KB thumbnail image for every photo that is opened, for faster subsequent loading and viewing." The basic end result to me is that I can view a file at 100% size from my M8 DNGs in about 3-4 seconds. For what I want a storage device to do, this works great (again for me when I don't want to carry a laptop). Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2008 Share #31 Posted March 26, 2008 John, I wondered that too and discovered that a company called Impectron, which appears to specialise in medical equipment is the sole UK agent for Hyperdrive products. Link here: Hyperdrive Colorspace UK Pete. Please be aware that, following Ray's confirmation that his OP was about the Colorspace 0, I can't be sure that the link I posted shows details about the same product. The blurb states: "The Hyperdrive COLORSPACE was launched in January 2008 and will be debuting in the UK at the SWPP and Focus on Imaging shows in January and February 2008." so it sounds like it's the Colorspace 0 but that name is not mentioned. I assume that Impectron will also be the agent for the Colorspace 0 but it has not included information about it on its website. My apologies if I've unintentionally caused any confusion - it's the only link to a UK seller of Hyperdrive Colorspace products. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted March 26, 2008 Share #32 Posted March 26, 2008 Ray, Yes, the HyperDrive Colorspace 0 is a new product which was just released after I acquired a HyperDrive Colorspace, the previous top of the line model, which, none-the-less, served my immediate needs very well. Also, I would expect faster transfer times with faster memory cards and obviously with verification turned off. However, verification is a very important feature that I would not want turned off. My real world experience has been with the Transcend 4GB X150 “SD Compatible” memory cards, TS4GSD150, and verification turned on. Geoff MySpace.com - g e o f f - 101 - Männlich - PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA - www.myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share #33 Posted March 26, 2008 Pete, The link you posted takes you to a picture of the ColorSpace and NOT the ColorSpace 0. However, my clarification was not directed at your posts at all. It was to attempt to clarify the ColorSpace 0 performance vs. others quoting the performance of the older unit. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2008 Share #34 Posted March 26, 2008 Thanks, Ray. I understand that your clarification wasn't directed at my post but I felt it was important to let people who'd used the link I'd provided that they weren't looking at the Colorspace 0 in case they were considering purchasing and wouldn't receive quite what they were expecting. (I shall have to lie down for a while after that sentence! ) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted March 26, 2008 Share #35 Posted March 26, 2008 SD Cards outddor and indoor an Notebook with USB 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted March 26, 2008 Share #36 Posted March 26, 2008 Pete, The link you posted takes you to a picture of the ColorSpace and NOT the ColorSpace 0. However, my clarification was not directed at your posts at all. It was to attempt to clarify the ColorSpace 0 performance vs. others quoting the performance of the older unit. Best, Ray I sent an email to their customer support asking specifically if either device displays the actual raw image for either of my cameras, M8 and 1DMKIII. This is the reply that I just received. In any case both devices are excellent and well worth having for temp storage. Hi, Tim. Our devices support both of your cameras but only display embedded jpeg images. Thanks and regards, Jonathan Customer Care Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaps Posted March 27, 2008 Share #37 Posted March 27, 2008 Has anyone tried the Digital Foci _ Picture Porter Elite? Their site ( Digital Foci: Picture Porter Elite 3.6" Portable Picture Viewer ) says they support M8 Files, but when I talked to the tech people they say the files looked washed out and that they will update the firmware with corrections down the road. thanks dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperdriveUK Posted June 4, 2008 Share #38 Posted June 4, 2008 Please be aware that, following Ray's confirmation that his OP was about the Colorspace 0, I can't be sure that the link I posted shows details about the same product. The blurb states: "The Hyperdrive COLORSPACE was launched in January 2008 and will be debuting in the UK at the SWPP and Focus on Imaging shows in January and February 2008." so it sounds like it's the Colorspace 0 but that name is not mentioned. I assume that Impectron will also be the agent for the Colorspace 0 but it has not included information about it on its website. My apologies if I've unintentionally caused any confusion - it's the only link to a UK seller of Hyperdrive Colorspace products. Pete. Hello Leica Forum, I happened to stumble across your forum from Google and noticed this thread. We are indeed the agents for the Hyperdrive in the UK. The directors are avid photographers themselves and this is one of the main reasons why it was felt that there was a need for a great PSD in the UK which is doing very well in the US and abroad. We are currently in the process of updating our website, and just to let you folks know the Hyperspace O should be available in the UK from around mid-June. The main difference really being the larger 3.2'' screen which can be automatically orientated. If you have any queries on the Hyperdrive please don't hesitate to ask. Best regards, Brandon Impectron Ltd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted June 4, 2008 Share #39 Posted June 4, 2008 Great news, Brandon, thanks for posting and welcome to the forum! Please post here when you launch the Colorspace O in the UK because I, for one, am interested and I'm sure that there will be others on the forum who are too, especially if it supports M8 raw (DNG) files without the need to also shoot JPEGs. (Would you confirm this please to settle the arguement once and for all? ) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted June 4, 2008 Share #40 Posted June 4, 2008 Pete, actual version already does. M8's DNG files are 100% supported and displayed on the screen without the need for a jpg file. Just upgrade the firmware if you have the first version... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.