AlanJW Posted March 13, 2008 Share #21 Â Posted March 13, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Of course I am not there yet but I think since it will take 17" wide paper by 22" length. You do pick a paper size. I would guess that the print driver needs to be told the size of the output. In order to take 25" length, this would involve an updated driver. Â No new driver needed for 17 x 25. The existing driver allows you to set up a custom size in increments of 0.01 inch, so I just set up a size of 1700 x 2500, saved it as a custom size and just select it when I am printing 17 x 25. Piece of cake, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill W Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share #22 Â Posted March 13, 2008 No new driver needed for 17 x 25. The existing driver allows you to set up a custom size in increments of 0.01 inch, so I just set up a size of 1700 x 2500, saved it as a custom size and just select it when I am printing 17 x 25. Piece of cake, Â Thanks for the information, obviously I am not that familar with the 3800 yet but am interested in printing on the 17X25 size. I wish Epson offered paper in that size, I understand they do not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share #23 Â Posted March 13, 2008 The biggest "secret" to the good RIPs (like IP) is their internal, custom profiles. The second biggest advantage is the way they raster the image, usually different/better than the factory print driver. However, Epson stepped their own up significantly with the introduction of the 3800 and later x880's. Â At any rate, generic paper profiles offered by manufacturers are usually nowhere near as good as a custom profile. So for a fraction of the cost of a RIP, especially if one only wants to use a few papers, custom profiles may be a more cost-effective solution --- but it assumes they print correctly with them to begin with A good custom profile can be had starting at around $25 from companies like InkjetArt.com. Â Finally, WYSIWYG print output requires --- rather DEMANDS --- a properly profiled monitor. Printing without having a profiled monitor is an exercise in futility -- you'll spend 10x as much on wasted paper and ink printing "proofs" than you ever spend on a monitor profiling puck. Â Cheers, Â Jack, What RIP's are available for the 3800? Are they all as expensive as IP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 13, 2008 Share #24 Â Posted March 13, 2008 The Quadtone RIP from Harrington is available for the 3800, with the K3 inks. It is not expensive -- b/w only -- $50 shareware fee. Â Tho the IP rip is expensive, they offer a phat option with which you never change the black inks. This is a further money-saving feature, along with a reduced requirement for proofing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 13, 2008 Share #25 Â Posted March 13, 2008 Thanks for the information, obviously I am not that familar with the 3800 yet but am interested in printing on the 17X25 size. I wish Epson offered paper in that size, I understand they do not. Â Â Harman makes 17 x 25 and it is quite good. There's a pretty good web site re the 3800 and papers for it that I recommend: Â Â <My Favorite Papers for the Epson 3800> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted March 13, 2008 Share #26 Â Posted March 13, 2008 Jack,What RIP's are available for the 3800? Are they all as expensive as IP? Â The only two I know of (besides Roy's B&W tool) are ColorBURST and IP. AFAIK, ColorBurst only has Epson papers supported while IP has several including Epson. Â As Bill said, IP also includes their Phat Black option, but understand this removes one of the gray inks and replaces it with the Mk. Frankly, with my own custom profiles (I build them myself) I get perfectly neutral grayscale output using the COLOR profile and printing normally as I do any color image. This has the singular advantage of giving me WYSIWYG previews for toning on my B&W prints too... Â Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 13, 2008 Share #27 Â Posted March 13, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't have the printer or that IP product, but as I understand it, changing inks on the 3800 involves a flush cycle that wastes ink prodigiously. Â The phat black option means it is not longer necessary to change the matte black and photo black inks. Therefore, no resultant cleaning cycle. This is a substantial ink savings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 13, 2008 Share #28 Â Posted March 13, 2008 Mine comes tomorrow and i am sitting here with a ruler measuring my office to figure out where to put the damn thing. It's a truck . LOL Â I obviously did not build my office big enough:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted March 14, 2008 Share #29  Posted March 14, 2008 I don't have the printer or that IP product, but as I understand it, changing inks on the 3800 involves a flush cycle that wastes ink prodigiously. The phat black option means it is not longer necessary to change the matte black and photo black inks. Therefore, no resultant cleaning cycle. This is a substantial ink savings.  With the 3800, the flush occurs at the head not the tubes, so ink "waste" on the swap is minimal --- like 3ml one direction and 6 the other. You don't want to do it every other print, but no biggie doing a set of Mk prints then switching back to Pk for a different set... The ink loss with the swap on the 7880/7880 or 98009880 is significantly higher, like 60 or 70 ml... The 11880 also swaps at the head, so again some ink is lost, but relatively trivial compared the 7/9 series.  Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share #30 Â Posted March 15, 2008 You really only waste a lot of ink when you continually clean the print head which has not worked for me. I have tried all of the suggestions from forum members as well as support from Epson. My last nozzle check and cleaning only brought out the banding issue I had initially again. So I will get number three 3800 shipped on Monday. I tried to get them to just sell me a new unit but that was a no go. I will go through all the refurbished 3800's and get them off the shelves.......LOL...... so no else must suffer......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted March 15, 2008 Share #31 Â Posted March 15, 2008 Have they sorted out the issue of a Leopard driver for the 3800? Or is still a beta? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmaurizio Posted March 15, 2008 Share #32 Â Posted March 15, 2008 Have they sorted out the issue of a Leopard driver for the 3800? Or is still a beta? Â Yes they did, V6. And it is quite good. No need to use IP, unless you are QUITE picky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted March 15, 2008 Share #33 Â Posted March 15, 2008 Have they sorted out the issue of a Leopard driver for the 3800? Or is still a beta? Â They are essentially still beta for Leoaprd... 3.5ce is supposedly not full-featured, though the only thing I note that's missing are the generic profiles. The 16-bit version is still beta. However, they work just fine so far on my systems. Â The ver 6 drivers are PC AFAIK... However, I agree that with a good profile, there is little need for IP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted March 16, 2008 Share #34 Â Posted March 16, 2008 Actually, I need to edit the above: I re-inspected 3.5CE, and found the printer dialog options have been trimmed to the point where you cannot adjust ink, flow, paper and feed settings. With the Leopard 16-bit beta, you have all those still available and the option to enable or disable 16-bit -- AND it works fine on my system as-is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted March 16, 2008 Share #35 Â Posted March 16, 2008 How many here have gotten the re-furbed units? I see Bill did and is going for his third. Â I'm also wondering why so many re-furbed units, trade show units, original defects, just what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted March 17, 2008 Share #36 Â Posted March 17, 2008 Has anybody seen this?? Inkrepublic has a CIS kit on their site for the 3800, and if this is going to be available soon, it makes the decision for me--Jon Cone's inks, QTR and a 3800. Â InkRepublic.com - Your Best Source For Continuous Ink System - 3800 CIS, R2400 CIS, R1800 CIS, R260 CIS, 1400 CIS, C120 CIS Â Â I'm thinking I'll get the 3800, which of course allows me to use the K3 inks until the Piezography K7 w/ gloss optimizer becomes available. Should be a great combination. In the meantime, how do the K3 Epson inks look in comparison to dedicated B&W inks? Â --NS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted March 17, 2008 Share #37 Â Posted March 17, 2008 IMO, the B&W output from the current K3 inks is so good already with Pk on photo papers, I don't think Cone's inks are going to add much for you. OTOH, if all you plan on doing is B&W on art papers using Mk, they may be worth looking at... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted March 17, 2008 Share #38 Â Posted March 17, 2008 How many here have gotten the re-furbed units? Â I looked into the refurb option, but the agreement on Epson's site says refurb sales are final. For me the savings does not justify that. Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 17, 2008 Share #39 Â Posted March 17, 2008 I have now bought 3 printers refurb'd from Epson. In each case, I have saved about 1/3 the market price. They also ship for free. Â My 2400 cost me $500, shipped. The best price I saw on the web at the time was about $750 plus shipping. Â I also have lots of refurb'd Lacie HD's. Again, about 1/3 off. Â A refurb unit basically didn't work out of the box, was repaired by the mfg, and is selling in an as-new condition. These are bargains. 'Course, since they can't charge a new price for what is essentially a new product, they take away something, like the warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted March 17, 2008 Share #40 Â Posted March 17, 2008 Jack-- Â Thanks for the response, and thanks to all for the information on their experience. It sounds like a 3800 refurb is an excellent choice for me, and that if the K3 inks don't come up to my expectations [although it sounds like they will], that third party inks will soon be an option. Â --Norm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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