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bill

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I'm glad the other conversation has been moved - it started off as being on topic but was heading one way due to a few people trolling.

 

Re. above, again I suspect lack of training. Because it is now an offence to gather intellingence on police officers - amongst others - if such information is to be used for purposes of terrorism, the average plod just takes it as read that you can't photograph them.

 

The article doesn't make it clear if the police deleted the images or not.

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The police dont care if you make an official complaint, whatever the outcome the policeman involved wont lose his job - even though he may have broken the law - which is what needs to happen if the man on the beat is to take any notice of the guidance they are supposed to be taking on board.

 

Another problem is that people read this in the papers and start to believe that street photography in unlawful.

 

Jeff

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This from today's Telegraph:

 

Random stop and search plumets after political outcry - Telegraph

 

And yet, on another page, they report the case of an ex-RAF man who was taking photos of police vans at a crime scene when he was stopped, searched, told to delete his snaps and instructed to report to the police station. A "spokesman" for Thames Valley Police said that if he was not happy, he should submit an official complaint.

 

I wonder if it is not time for someone like the NUJ to take out a civil case against the officers concerned and their Chief Constable next time a NUJ member gets the treatment?

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Well, who has had such experiences?

I have. As part of a street shooting course (when I was a student) I went with one of my class members - a certified psychiatrist by the way - to shoot on the Grote Markt in Groningen, NL. I took pictures of a parking-enforcement officer. He held me and requested my film (the roll from my M2), what I objected to. So he detained us and had us arrested. Both of us were held in custody (in a cell) for more than 4 hours.

Then the Chief Inspector came to say, ' Please forget this, but can you say you are sorry, please? These civilian guards, you know, well, they don't have a full training and are sometimes quickly turned on.'

What I learned is: a Leica camera obviously scares their wits! It might be the way we focus and "frame" the subject. Be more covert next time.

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It was also on National TV Sky News two nights ago with the story illustrated by the picture of Ben on the train. I only caught the last few seconds of the broadcast so don't know what was said.

 

Bob.

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I hope it's not another false dawn.

 

Policing and Crime Minister David Hanson MP said: ... "I welcomed the opportunity to reassure all those concerned with this issue that we have no intention of Section 44 or Section 58A being used to stop ordinary people taking photos or to curtail legitimate journalistic activity."

 

Perhaps not, but it's happening. :mad:

 

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Indeed Pete. They may 'have no intention' but that obviously doesn't prevent it from happening. I'm sure the government had no intention of wrecking the economy, I'm sure there was no intention of letting MP's fiddle their expense claims........

 

Photographers are being stopped, questioned, arrested. What is he actually going to do about it?

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You have to know the meanings of these words:

 

"We have no plans to do P" => "We intend to do P, but haven't actually got a file labelled Plan for P."

 

"We have no intention that Q" => "Q is/was a foreseeable consequence of our actions and we don't care."

 

"We have given our soldiers everything they have requested" => "We deny our soldiers all sorts of things until the situation gets so bad it qualifies as an Urgent Operational Requirement. We have not yet formally refused one of these, although we may take years to place an order, let alone get the equipment into service."

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The more I think about these "rules" the more the word gobsmacked comes to mind...What on earth would a peadophile ( not my favorite person...) want with a photograph of an anonymous child in the street, when all he has to do is walk into the shopping mall and look around him to see the real thing?:confused: It reminds me of those cultures where taking a photograph is forbidden because it will steal a person's soul.

How a rational person can think these kind of restrictions will help create a safer society is quite beyond me.

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