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erlingmm

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andybarton

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Maybe Leica needs to have an in-house shrink !!!! All I want is to have some news - any news about the now legendary R10. I feel for you that have an M8, and I don't think I would be all that happy either with the 'offer' - maybe after things settle down and the word gets out that it actually works and they really can fix it - great.

 

At least you M users have a digital camera. We R users have ??????. I really, truly, want to believe that they have a grand plan that will ACTUALLY work. But so far it sounds like the same old, same old. We've been waiting for YEARS to see your commitment for the R system to get serious and it's always been, "just wait, you'll see",,,,,,,.and wait, and wait, and wait.......

 

R users have the DMR - (arguably) a far better product than the M8 will ever be, until they sort out the latter's sensor and IR issue. Certainly until they get the M8 to 16bit colour.

 

There are many here who consider the DMR with an R8 or R9 in front of it, to be the pinnacle of Leica digital output to date.

 

No longer available new, but readily found through the recently used channel, including the Buy & Sell section of this forum.

 

Plenty of examples here:

 

www.andybarton.com

 

I eagerly await the coming of the R10 at Photokina. I predict a gnashing of teeth in the M8 forum... ;)

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jaapv

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I think you guys are too hard on the OP. It is utterly mad - Leica introduces the concept of an upgradable digital camera -very laudable imo - offers its upgrade - not cheap, but to some if not many acceptable - and suddenly a number of people start acting as if it is mandatory and Mr. Lee and Dr Kaufmann are pulling the eurobills out of their pocket personally. At the very least that merits a comment.

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David- that makes (at least) two psychiatrists on the board. Good thing as our "upgrade your head" program will certainly generate more business than one can handle. Meanwhile, I'm glad that you are around as I was reluctant to certify myself today for having bought a second M8 body (used) and a 28 summicron to stick on it. Please go ahead and fill out the papers. best....Peter

 

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Peter,

 

congrats on your new camera and lens. I own and use (when I'm not busy compulsively reading this Forum) the 28 'Cron. It's just a superb lens. Both on film and digital. You'll love it. As for the second M8, I envy you ;)

 

Knd Rgrds from Amsterdam

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jaapv

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R users have the DMR - (arguably) a far better product than the M8 will ever be, until they sort out the latter's sensor and IR issue. Certainly until they get the M8 to 16bit colour.

 

There are many here who consider the DMR with an R8 or R9 in front of it, to be the pinnacle of Leica digital output to date.

 

No longer available new, but readily found through the recently used channel, including the Buy & Sell section of this forum.

 

Plenty of examples here:

 

www.andybarton.com

 

I eagerly await the coming of the R10 at Photokina. I predict a gnashing of teeth in the M8 forum... ;)

 

Andy, I have both M8 and DMR, and I agree that the files are marginally better, but as a picture taking machine for daily use the M8 is far more practical. In comparison the DMR is a dinosaur - albeit a superior dinosaur.

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Andy, I have both M8 and DMR, and I agree that the files are marginally better, but as a picture taking machine for daily use the M8 is far more practical. In comparison the DMR is a dinosaur - albeit a superior dinosaur.

 

What do you want?

 

The best pictures, or a lighter camera?

 

It's not that heavy, nor is it a dinosaur.

 

Sorry. I will have to disagree with you on this one, Jaap.

 

Just look at Conrad's work, and tell me these shots aren't superior to any you have seen on this forum, taken with a digital Leica.

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I think you guys are too hard on the OP. It is utterly mad - Leica introduces the concept of an upgradable digital camera -very laudable imo - offers its upgrade - not cheap, but to some if not many acceptable - and suddenly a number of people start acting as if it is mandatory and Mr. Lee and Dr Kaufmann are pulling the eurobills out of their pocket personally. At the very least that merits a comment.

 

Quite right, Jaap.

 

I'm not going to be first in line for this upgrade, but IMHO Leica deserves more credit for taking this route.

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What do you want?

 

The best pictures, or a lighter camera?

 

It's not that heavy, nor is it a dinosaur.

 

Sorry. I will have to disagree with you on this one, Jaap.

 

Just look at Conrad's work, and tell me these shots aren't superior to any you have seen on this forum, taken with a digital Leica.

I want both- or rather horses for courses. It is not the heavyness, it is the bulk. Having said that the ergonomics of a DMR/R9(8) are superior. So - when I go for a walk, or skiing or on holiday out comes the M8 - when go shoot landscapes, put on the 400 for wildlife or take a macro shot of one of my victim's teeth, I have the DMR. the files of the DMR are amazing, I quite agree, but the files of the M8 are pretty good too. So the use is dictated by the requirements. I find it quite impossible to pronounce one or the other " Leica's finest hour"

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Just look at Conrad's work, and tell me these shots aren't superior to any you have seen on this forum, taken with a digital Leica.

 

Um, you give Conrad a cellphone, and his pictures are going to be better than most of the ones on this forum.

 

As for file quality, no--the DMR is not superior to the M8 IMO. However, out of the box the colour out of the DMR is better; the M8 files take more work.

 

I do think there are times when one is better than the other, but that's as far as I'd go.

 

(and honestly, I love Conrad's work... but there are some pretty fabulous photographers shooting with the M8 too, and I'm not counting myself among them).

 

Having said that: I need a shrink (or is that drink?!) because I too want to hear the news on the R system.... I'm so ready to ditch my "other" cameras...

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Jamie Roberts

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Can someone give me a link to "Conrad's work"?

 

My interest is piqued, stirred, and even galvanized.

 

Well, I'm thinking about Conrad Duroseau (and I'm sure Andy is too:), whose site is here:

 

Conrad Duroseau Photojournalist & Documentary Photographer

 

He's a DMR user; great photographer / photojournalist. He hasn't weighed into the M8 upgrade fray (that I've seen), but he posts about the DMR / R series a lot. You're in for treat looking at his stuff, I think :)

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Kent10D

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Oh THAT Conrad!

 

Yes, I am humbled (I hate it when that happens).

That Conrad has an enviable eye. Beautiful stuff. And as you say it'd still be beautiful if it was shot with a cell phone.

 

Thanks Jamie.

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You're welcome, Kent. And you're right, Conrad's eye is enviable: even in reportage his sense of colour and composition (and mastery of light, of course) is exceptionally good, I think.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd work the same wonders with an M8; though to be fair, if your tools don't inspire you or the way you work, then you need to lose them.

 

Me? I love both. I'd rather use the M8 or a DMR than almost anything else out there for my work, personal and pro (though for what it is--a non-complaining workhorse--I think Canon knocked one out of the park in terms of price / performance with the 5d, and I can even bolt Leica glass on it).

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Andy,,,,,,,,, I agree - I also eagerly wait for Photokina. I really do like the DMR back concept, which would be really easy to upgrade !!! Boy, I hope you are wrong about the M8 users gnashing their teeth when the R10 does finally show itself - they won't have any teeth left !!!!!!

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I think Photokina will be more than anyone actually thinks will be announced. BIG

 

I hope so and I hope my wallet can withstand it. Also, no shortcuts please.

 

I have quoted this excerpt from the LFI interview with Steven K. Lee already but here it is again: "The R system needs to be the very best, the cream of the crop, and it has to stay that way. And I can tell you that there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of performance and handling. There's more R experience to be had."

 

I want to see Leica deliver on that promise. The DMR is fantastic. The R10 needs to be better.

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I vote with Erling.

 

His post is witty and accurate. Each category of nay-sayers is aptly named.

 

My golly-wumpus, gynes and dudes, it's amazing to me how much heat an innovative idea can generate so quickly. There's a lot of analysis of the good and bad aspects of the "perpetual upgrade" program, but there is a lot of vitriol as well.

 

Suggestion: When you feel negative, try to analyze why. Don't just say "I'm angry because that guy cut me off in traffic." Go further into yourself and try to figure out why THAT bothers you--do you feel that's your space? do you feel his driving endangers you? do you feel you can't stoop to such behavior because your car is better than his and he has calculated that into his offense? What is the basis of your anger?

 

Do the same here. If you're having a negative response to Erling's post, look at yourself. My bet is that you'll find you're in one of the groups he named.

 

And he did so with great analysis and wit. If you come back in a week and read the post, I think it will bring a big smile.

 

Thanks, Erling!

 

--HC

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