erlingmm Posted February 1, 2008 Share #1 Posted February 1, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) After a quiet (dull?) period in this forum the last weeks, the upgrade program has made the forum explode with negativity again. Half-dead nostalgists moan about missing the early film models, anti-capitalist progressives moan about profits (do you want Leica as a company to survive?), full frame freaks moan about changing the sensor (why did you buy the M8 in the first place, didn´t you read the specs?), broke people who paid 5000 dollars for the M8 moan about the upgrade becuse it is too expensive (why didn´t you buy a cheaper camera? what about some financial planning?), the upgrade OFFER is percieved as a dictator´s decreet (I can barely imagine the reaction if an M9 were released with higher specs now, depreciating the M8 at least by half).... With "friends" like this, who needs enemies? Get a life (or take pictures) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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footnoteblog Posted February 1, 2008 Share #2 Posted February 1, 2008 After a quiet (dull?) period in this forum the last weeks, the upgrade program has made the forum explode with negativity again. Half-dead nostalgists moan about missing the early film models, anti-capitalist progressives moan about profits (do you want Leica as a company to survive?), full frame freaks moan about changing the sensor (why did you buy the M8 in the first place, didn´t you read the specs?), broke people who paid 5000 dollars for the M8 moan about the upgrade becuse it is too expensive (why didn´t you buy a cheaper camera? what about some financial planning?), the upgrade OFFER is percieved as a dictator´s decreet (I can barely imagine the reaction if an M9 were released with higher specs now, depreciating the M8 at least by half)....With "friends" like this, who needs enemies? Get a life (or take pictures) I won't even point out your own hypocrisy posting here and telling people to "get a life (or take pictures)"; whoops, guess I did. The upgrade costs too much in the mind of many here, but you're leaping to conclusions in thinking people who don't want to pay that can't afford it and need financial planning. Dude, perhaps you need a psychiatrist. Assumptions FTL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted February 1, 2008 Share #3 Posted February 1, 2008 Well, the cost of this mod is clearly expensive although I like being different so I’ll be a sacrificial lamb and purchase the certificate and see how it comes out. Besides, I’m so anal-retentive that it would drive me absolutely crazy not to buy the damn thing! I suppose I do need to seek professional help! Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 1, 2008 Share #4 Posted February 1, 2008 Can we keep this civil, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
footnoteblog Posted February 1, 2008 Share #5 Posted February 1, 2008 I was just ribbing the OP ... note my cute smilies and such Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 1, 2008 Share #6 Posted February 1, 2008 Well if I don't see a M9 down the road than something is really wrong. At some point they will have to make a M9 when the technology outdoes the box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted February 1, 2008 Share #7 Posted February 1, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Half-dead nostalgists"? "Anti-capitalist progressives"? "Full frame freaks"? "Broke people"? "With friends like this who needs enemies"? "Get a life"? That's quite a lot of name calling and invective. So much anger. Troubled childhood? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted February 1, 2008 Share #8 Posted February 1, 2008 Maybe Leica needs to have an in-house shrink !!!! All I want is to have some news - any news about the now legendary R10. I feel for you that have an M8, and I don't think I would be all that happy either with the 'offer' - maybe after things settle down and the word gets out that it actually works and they really can fix it - great. At least you M users have a digital camera. We R users have ??????. I really, truly, want to believe that they have a grand plan that will ACTUALLY work. But so far it sounds like the same old, same old. We've been waiting for YEARS to see your commitment for the R system to get serious and it's always been, "just wait, you'll see",,,,,,,.and wait, and wait, and wait....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 1, 2008 Share #9 Posted February 1, 2008 Well, the cost of this mod is clearly expensive although I like being different so I’ll be a sacrificial lamb and purchase the certificate and see how it comes out. Besides, I’m so anal-retentive that it would drive me absolutely crazy not to buy the damn thing! I suppose I do need to seek professional help!Regards, Well it's a digital product so, just like a Mac, a new spec makes every existing owner feel he ought to rush out and upgrade - Tiger, Leopard, whatever. I ask myself: have I scratched the screen? No. Is the shutter insufferably noisy? No (I had an M6 and MP before, and they were more quiet, yet I still have the resounding echoes of my old Canon A1 clacking away in my head...). What is different is being asked for money down and at least a further four months to wait before anyone gets the replacements done. The M8 is such a lovely camera to use, so it has that in common with the iMac too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2008 Share #10 Posted February 1, 2008 Well if I don't see a M9 down the road than something is really wrong. At some point they will have to make a M9 when the technology outdoes the box Looks like Leica's decided to address the main flaws of the M8 in the first place. Changing the shutter was probably the easiest way to begin with. Next step should be aimed at fixing the IR sensibility hopefully. I could well be tempted to get an M8 in a couple of years at this pace... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted February 1, 2008 Share #11 Posted February 1, 2008 I'm really surprised at the comments about Leica's upgrade program (and practically everything else Leica). I was shooting with Nikon equipment and was fairly happy when I came across some literature about Leica lenses. I did my homework and decided to experiment with an R9 and a 50 mm. When I got the prints back, I was pleasantly surprised at how well they compared to my Nikon pics. Friends and colleagues all noticed a difference. Since then I've added to the R9, picked up an M7 and several lenses and am now hunting for a M6 TTL. Meanwhile my Nikon stuff has gathered dust and will continue to do so. I bought into Leica because of their superior glass and their core value of the photographer's eye. I don't envy their current situation where so many photographers expect this little independent company to also be first on the cutting edge of digital technology (even in the face of the behemoth Canon). I decided to wait on digital until I see the R10 because digital photography, especially with regard to sensors, is still in its infancy (we did splurge on a D-Lux and are happy with it). There are still fits and starts with all the camera lines (see that latest Canon Mark whatever). I am glad to see, however, that Leica is doing what it can to provide an upgradeable alternative to the black hills of Japanese waste. Personally, I haven't received any notices of upgradeable options from Nikon. I really like my Leicas and I'm sticking with the Leica glass. The Nikon? Bids are open on eBay. By the way, if Leica doesn't change a thing on the R9 but stick a sensor on it, I'd still be a very happy camper. My last set of portraits with the 90mm just can't be beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlc43 Posted February 1, 2008 Share #12 Posted February 1, 2008 Not to fear; you’re all in luck. I actually am a psychiatrist. (I also own an M8 and many fine Leica lenses). I have noticed that this newly announced upgrade program has stirred up a lot of emotions and conflicts among forum members. No doubt many will need treatment. I can help. Because of the anticipated large numbers of forum members who undoubtedly will seek my care, I will issue certificates (paid in advance), so that you can hold your place in line, and also so I can properly manage my workload. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 1, 2008 Share #13 Posted February 1, 2008 I think we all might need to go out and use our cameras more. Then we won't be able to spend so much time here bitching about what is wrong with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichMD Posted February 1, 2008 Share #14 Posted February 1, 2008 David, as an Internist I see a few folks who wind up needing your services after failing control on first line treatment. let me know if you need my help to screen folks in/out of therapy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquinius Posted February 1, 2008 Share #15 Posted February 1, 2008 Erling So, show some of your pictures ... Marco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted February 1, 2008 Share #16 Posted February 1, 2008 After a quiet (dull?) period in this forum the last weeks, the upgrade program has made the forum explode with negativity again. Half-dead nostalgists moan about missing the early film models, anti-capitalist progressives moan about profits (do you want Leica as a company to survive?), full frame freaks moan about changing the sensor (why did you buy the M8 in the first place, didn´t you read the specs?), broke people who paid 5000 dollars for the M8 moan about the upgrade becuse it is too expensive (why didn´t you buy a cheaper camera? what about some financial planning?), the upgrade OFFER is percieved as a dictator´s decreet (I can barely imagine the reaction if an M9 were released with higher specs now, depreciating the M8 at least by half)....With "friends" like this, who needs enemies? Get a life (or take pictures) Not too bad since it's only your 18th post. I really don't want to get a life, since i can read a load of bulls... like this and be happy anyway:D ! By the way, my financial service rejected my last term loan, since i still have to pay for the last one:yep, i have 27 Leica lenses, sent 'em all to Solms to code for 4563€ + shipping and i started a new loan. My loan agent find 1200€ a mountain high price for just a piece of glass and a new shutter, "no way" He said, and I have to trust him since I can't make a decision all by myself. Anyway, my psychiatrist told me to take pictures too, He said that me and my friend in this forum should one day take our first flight: i.e. "it's useless to spend so much money for equipment not intended to be used, and simply talk about it":eek: Cheers Maurizio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted February 1, 2008 Share #17 Posted February 1, 2008 David- that makes (at least) two psychiatrists on the board. Good thing as our "upgrade your head" program will certainly generate more business than one can handle. Meanwhile, I'm glad that you are around as I was reluctant to certify myself today for having bought a second M8 body (used) and a 28 summicron to stick on it. Please go ahead and fill out the papers. best....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted February 1, 2008 Share #18 Posted February 1, 2008 Well if I don't see a M9 down the road than something is really wrong. At some point they will have to make a M9 when the technology outdoes the box i totally agree....the idea of the upgradable camera is great but at some point it just does not make any sense to try and cram everything into an existing shell just to be able call it an upgrade....i think if the film bodies can make it all the way to m7, the digital should be allowed a number change once in a while....which in digital terms is of course much faster then with film..... that said: the 1/180 sync speed makes the upgrade impossible for me.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted February 1, 2008 Not too bad since it's only your 18th post.Maurizio Oh, I am sure posting 1,77 posts per day here would make me a much better photographer It is reassurring that we already have 2 psychiatrists here, I feel a lighter atmosphere already:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted February 1, 2008 Share #20 Posted February 1, 2008 Oh, I am sure posting 1,77 posts per day here would make me a much better photographer That's not my point.But everything's possible! Even during WWII teenagers were the first to attack, not always the best and everlasting soldiers indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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