Guest stnami Posted January 26, 2008 Share #21 Posted January 26, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pete, that's the gist of it most don't get it right from scratch as they are too concerned with the "making-tool" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share #22 Posted January 27, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8? Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 27, 2008 Share #23 Posted January 27, 2008 I would expect them to sell for the same as a used M7 or MP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2008 Share #24 Posted January 27, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8? Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography The chances are that the price will fall considerably.Ask yourself what would you pay for a used M8 when a M9 is available.The price will probably be about 30% of the new price but it only matters if you want to sell it.The best thing is to keep shooting with the M8.Compared to film,the more you shoot / the more you save.When the M9 comes keep the M8 as a back up. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 27, 2008 Share #25 Posted January 27, 2008 The chances are that the price will fall considerably.Ask yourself what would you pay for a used M8 when a M9 is available.The price will probably be about 30% of the new price but it only matters if you want to sell it.The best thing is to keep shooting with the M8.Compared to film,the more you shoot / the more you save.When the M9 comes keep the M8 as a back up.Brian I'm fully with you here : M8 as future backup for a future M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 27, 2008 Share #26 Posted January 27, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8? Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Surely, if the M9 works to spec straight out of the box, then you might as well use the M8 as a boat anchor? Given all the issues they will be unsaleable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 27, 2008 Share #27 Posted January 27, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Most know that resale wise the m8 is dead meat and all that will be left is the carcass once the m9 comes out as Pete states. If leica would have developed its DSLR it would be well and truly in the game.......... but they listened to the anchor polishers and produced a link that broke the chain ............bottom feeders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 27, 2008 Share #28 Posted January 27, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8? Assuming for the sake of the argument that Leica will introduce an M9 with a 36 x 24 mm sensor, then this camera will sell for a much higher price than the M8 does now. For this reason alone, the M8 will still be attractive. If Leica should introduce the new model as an upgrade to the M8 instead, there would be absolutely no reason to sell a used M8 at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 27, 2008 Share #29 Posted January 27, 2008 Assuming for the sake of the argument that Leica will introduce an M9 with a 36 x 24 mm sensor, then this camera will sell for a much higher price than the M8. I'm not so sure about that. I think the M8 is at or near the top end of what many people are prepared to spend on a camera - certainly it is for me. If the M9 was say 30% more expensive I don't think they'd sell in large (for Leica) numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 27, 2008 Share #30 Posted January 27, 2008 I'm not so sure about that. I think the M8 is at or near the top end of what many people are prepared to spend on a camera - certainly it is for me. If the M9 was say 30% more expensive I don't think they'd sell in large (for Leica) numbers. It’s not about what people are able or willing to spend, it’s about what Leica has to ask for to recover the costs. If Leica should realize that an M9 wouldn’t sell, then there will be no M9 – simple as that. They couldn’t afford to sell an M9 at a loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 27, 2008 Share #31 Posted January 27, 2008 It’s not about what people are able or willing to spend, it’s about what Leica has to ask for to recover the costs. Sorry, EVEN Leica have to be relatively price competative with the market. Do you really think they'd bother if it meant having to charge say £10K/$20K for it? They aren't going to make something that they know only a handful of fanatics will buy - and of course they will have to be gold plated croc skin covered editions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 27, 2008 Share #32 Posted January 27, 2008 I think that Michael is right here. At long time ago, Nikon repeatedly said (at least to the Japanese media) that the single biggest reason why they didn't make a full frame camera was because that they couldn't break even (at that time) ... and such a beast would easily cost everyone above 1 million Yen (apprx. 9k US at that time) while the spec. may not compare to Canon's flagship. Many people thought it was BS ... but it was true, Nikon had FF DSLRs for many years in their lab. And that's why they repetitively use the same sensor in D100, D70, D50, D40, and the same in D200, D80, D40x ... and they will do the same in D300, D90, D60. Because big volume means lower cost spreading over units. Contax wanted to build a FF DSLR, and ended up with folding up their business. Considering the tiny market niche Leica is serving, there's more risk involved commercially than technically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted January 27, 2008 Share #33 Posted January 27, 2008 Pros and well heeled amateurs currently spend upwards of $30k for MFDB solutions now so I'm not sure that a high price will void any chance of sales. A new leica producing file quality in between that of MFDB and DSLR's might sell well even if it costs more than some high end DSLR's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 27, 2008 Share #34 Posted January 27, 2008 Surely, if the M9 works to spec straight out of the box, then you might as well use the M8 as a boat anchor? Given all the issues they will be unsaleable? You rarely see even a second generation electronic high output device work to spec straight out of the box. Look at Apple. Even this generation of Powerbook has still its glitches (and Apple is to laptop what Leica is to rangefinder). So first M9 will have its issues too — not the same as M8's, to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 27, 2008 Share #35 Posted January 27, 2008 So first M9 will have its issues too — not the same as M8's, to be sure. now that gulf shall be huge from hotel lurker to functional item Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 27, 2008 Share #36 Posted January 27, 2008 What will the value of a used M8 be once the M9 is introduced? Will will see a 50% drop in price for a used M8? Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Since the Nikon D3 was announced, the secondhand price of its forerunner, the D2x, has dropped like a stone; mint examples now cost 1/3 of what they did new and a rough one about 20%. I doubt the M8 will fall quite as far/fast and much will depend on how much the M9 costs, but if an M8 costs $5200 now, it's unlikely to be worth much more than $2000 once the successor comes along (IMHO). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 27, 2008 Share #37 Posted January 27, 2008 Pros and well heeled amateurs currently spend upwards of $30k for MFDB solutions now so I'm not sure that a high price will void any chance of sales. A new leica producing file quality in between that of MFDB and DSLR's might sell well even if it costs more than some high end DSLR's. Some of my friends on a Chinese chat board who went to the Pentax K20D/K200D announcement in Beijing asked about the 645D when they met with Pentax's top brasses. If I'm remembering correctly, the market size (worldwide, all manufacturers combined) for MFDBs or integrated medium format DSLRs is below 100k ... in the higher 5 digit range. How many companies are interested in that? I'm sure if you put 10 million dollars up front, there'll be someone building a one of its kind 50 megapixel camera for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 28, 2008 Share #38 Posted January 28, 2008 Surely, if the M9 works to spec straight out of the box, then you might as well use the M8 as a boat anchor? Given all the issues they will be unsaleable? This sort of comment is misleading and unhelpful. You know very well the sans winder M8 cannot be fitted with the Leicavit spike, so anchoring would be over very limited terrain. Sand only with the thumbs up CQR pattern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 28, 2008 Share #39 Posted January 28, 2008 This sort of comment is misleading and unhelpful. You know very well the sans winder M8 cannot be fitted with the Leicavit spike, so anchoring would be over very limited terrain. Sand only with the thumbs up CQR pattern. yes, check your bottom when considering anchor grip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 28, 2008 Share #40 Posted January 28, 2008 Since the Nikon D3 was announced, the secondhand price of its forerunner, the D2x, has dropped like a stone; mint examples now cost 1/3 of what they did new and a rough one about 20%. I doubt the M8 will fall quite as far/fast and much will depend on how much the M9 costs, but if an M8 costs $5200 now, it's unlikely to be worth much more than $2000 once the successor comes along (IMHO). a lot of people would walk in for M8 at that i think did you consider the impact of the reputed 'kind of small digital M' from Andreas Kaufmann in that price characterisation ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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