Q3 43 or M-EV1: Trying to make best decision as senior with vision issue

[JNK100]

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If your eyesight is not as good as it could be, I would definitely stay with the Q3/43 for your usage.

I am confident you would miss the AF and and probably the OIS too.

The EVF on the M EV1 is no better either.

[jonoslack]

53 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

If your eyesight is not as good as it could be, I would definitely stay with the Q3/43 for your usage.

I am confident you would miss the AF and and probably the OIS too.

The EVF on the M EV1 is no better either.

I quite agree - it's the same EVF, and the Q3 43 not only has AF, but probably the best lens Leica has ever made! 

All the best

Jono

[Jon D]

2 hours ago, Wipeout said:

After spending some time with the Leica M EV1, I’ve found focusing to be more difficult than expected.

The focus zoom shows a lot of lag and image noise in dim light, even with a fast lens wide open at f1.4, which makes it slow and uncertain to nail focus.

The processor is an older generation and not designed for video, which might explain the laggy live view performance. To check focus accurately, you need to open the aperture fully, focus, and then close it back down to your chosen setting, since the camera does not automatically open and close the aperture to aid focusing.

What the M EV1 really needs is a better manual focusing aid, something like the split prism screens found on classic SLRs that gave a clear and definite point of focus.

It is a great concept and beautifully built, but right now focusing feels harder than it should be. I have an SL2 with an M adaptor and much prefer that setup for manual focus work.

I have not yet tried the Q3 43, but I would be curious to see how that compares in practice.

From what i understand, the manual focus system in the Q3 43 is the same as the one in the M-EV1. You get the coloured pixels showing what is in focus, or you simply judge it by eye. It’s old tech, and inferior to manually focussing with a range finder patch. It’s a shame that Leica have chosen to launch a new product category using existing old tech. Let’s call a spade a spade, they've shoved the Q3’s manual focus system in an M11 P and claimed it as a new product category.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Jon D said:

From what i understand, the manual focus system in the Q3 43 is the same as the one in the M-EV1. You get the coloured pixels showing what is in focus, or you simply judge it by eye. It’s old tech, and inferior to manually focussing with a range finder patch. It’s a shame that Leica have chosen to launch a new product category using existing old tech. Let’s call a spade a spade, they've shoved the Q3’s manual focus system in an M11 P and claimed it as a new product category.

It is the same focus system as in all M11 models and that is the point: keep M11 variations (P, D, Monochrom, EV1) as similar as possible.

Most of development energy seems to be focused on M12, as it should be.

[Jon D]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

It is the same focus system as in all M11 models and that is the point: keep M11 variations (P, D, Monochrom, EV1) as similar as possible.

But it’s not. It’s only the secondary focus system that’s in all the other M11 models. New sensor? No. New focus system? No. Same built in memory? No. Is the M-EV1 an M11 variant? That’s certainly not the way Leica are promoting it. The M-EV1 is answering a question that nobody asked. Just my opinion. Have you bought one?

Edited 5 hours ago by Jon D

[Elliot Harper]

Look at this way, M EV1 is basically a Q3 or Q3/43 sacrificing auto focusing in exchange for changeable lenses. Which one is more important for you, AF or the ability of chancing lenses?

To me, both are, so I have M11p, Q3, and SL3-S

[SrMi]

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6 minutes ago, Jon D said:

But it’s not. It’s only the secondary focus system that’s in all the other M11 models. New sensor? No. New focus system? No. Same built in memory? No. Is the M-EV1 an M11 variant? That’s certainly not the way Leica are promoting it. The M-EV1 is answering a question that nobody asked. Just my opinion. Have you bought one?

I have bought one at the launch and have used it exclusively. How about you?

Please read Stefan Daniels interview for the background on M-EV1's design.

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, Elliot Harper said:

Look at this way, M EV1 is basically a Q3 or Q3/43 sacrificing auto focusing in exchange for changeable lenses. Which one is more important for you, AF or the ability of chancing lenses?

To me, both are, so I have M11p, Q3, and SL3-S

M-EV1 is basically an M11 with removed rangefinder and integrated EVF. Every other analogy is farfetched or contrived, IMO.

 

[jdlaing]

54 minutes ago, SrMi said:

M-EV1 is basically an M11 with removed rangefinder and integrated EVF. Every other analogy is farfetched or contrived, IMO.

 

Removed OVF and integrated EVF. I think it’s still rangefinder coupled and the scale works?

[carlosgavina]

16 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Removed OVF and integrated EVF. I think it’s still rangefinder coupled and the scale works?

Yes, when you focus the lens — and the option is set in the menus — it will automatically zoom in in the EVF.

[SrMi]

36 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Removed OVF and integrated EVF. I think it’s still rangefinder coupled and the scale works?

There is no rangefinder so there is no coupling. However, it uses the same mechanism to detect lens focus movement (autozoom function).

The scales on the lens work the same.

[Anonautico]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb jonoslack:

... probably the best lens Leica has ever made! 

Don't tell Leica, because the Q43 with lens costs less than the best Leica optics, which Leica considers to be the best optics. 🙄

 

[Jon D]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

I have bought one at the launch and have used it exclusively. How about you?

Please read Stefan Daniels interview for the background on M-EV1's design.

I've had a look at it, and decided to stick with what I have - which is a Q3 43, an M11M, and an M2. Did you buy it because you struggle with a rangefinder patch? Or was your decision based on something else?

[deekay]

In terms of testing the focusing experience of the M-EV1 by using a Q3:

I have an original Q. Would that be comparable as far as the focusing experience goes?

[nykv]

19 minutes ago, Anonautico said:

Don't tell Leica, because the Q43 with lens costs less than the best Leica optics, which Leica considers to be the best optics. 🙄

 

Theirs?  Well, you didn't write that - you wrote the best optics.

Edited 2 hours ago by nykv

[SrMi]

6 minutes ago, Jon D said:

I've had a look at it, and decided to stick with what I have - which is a Q3 43, an M11M, and an M2. Did you buy it because you struggle with a rangefinder patch? Or was your decision based on something else?

Nice camera choices!

I bought M-EV1 because I sometimes shoot with an EVF and wanted to see how it compares to shooting with the rangefinder. I sometimes have issues with the rangefinder patch, as it can take me a while to align correctly (especially with branches, repeated lines, or no distinct lines). I prefer OVF to EVF, but I like seeing the exposure (blinkies), and I use LPC regularly (need EVF for framing).

I do not like shooting with the Visoflex mounted. I prefer the M form factor and ergonomics.

I am not sure yet whether I prefer the rangefinder or the EV Ms. 

[SrMi]

12 minutes ago, deekay said:

In terms of testing the focusing experience of the M-EV1 by using a Q3:

I have an original Q. Would that be comparable as far as the focusing experience goes?

The lower-resolution sensor may lead to some differences, and focus peaking may vary across models.