Kinks Gone, Firmware Improvements. Anybody Turn to the M11 Recently?

[tappan]

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M10-R users. Have the last couple of years of M11 firmware improvements, apparently solving the early M11 problems, made you think about upgrading? Has anyone upgraded recently.
Thoughts? Were you happy with the move? Any regrets?
Hope everyone is doing well.
Mark

[TomB_tx]

Just recently added M10-R to my M10. The M11 adds nothing I want.

[dugby]

I went to my dealer with money in hand to buy an M11, but whilst handling it side by side with an M10-R, it only took a few minutes to decide on the M10-R.

 it was the aggregation of the many points written in this forum that allowed the M10-R to win my purchase and I have continuous enjoyment with the results.

 

[tappan]

7 minutes ago, dugby said:

I went to my dealer with money in hand to buy an M11, but whilst handling it side by side with an M10-R, it only took a few minutes to decide on the M10-R.

 it was the aggregation of the many points written in this forum that allowed the M10-R to win my purchase and I have continuous enjoyment with the results.

 

Enjoy it in good health.
Mark

[irenedp]

i didn’t know that the M11 had solved its issues. But I don’t see any reason other than the resolution to be an advantage over the 10r. and I have other cameras that match or exceed it. 

Edited Sunday at 06:21 AM by irenedp

[Derbyshire Man]

Ask users in the M10 section whether the M11 is now better and you expect what answer? 😂

Nip over to a Porsche forum and ask them if they prefer BMW’s?

You may get a different response in the M11 section. 

[maxpower]

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I never had an M10-R but still have an M10-P next to my M11 cameras, there is something in the way the camera feels and sounds that's more satisfying than the M11s for me. But, the M11 is more practical for me and my usage. I imagine the gap between the M10-P - M11 and M10-R and M11 is not the same in sense of sensor / dynamic range either, from what I've heard/read, so my experience with that might be less useful for you. One other thing that I always said is that I liked the M10-P colours SOOC better, but now the latest firmware lets us tweak white balance on the M11 more this might not be as relevant anymore, too soon to tell for me.

I think in general if you already have an M10-R and are happy with it, and don't feel like you are missing out on any of the new features, why bother with an upgrade. 

[Derbyshire Man]

Maybe the question is what are you trying to fix?

[jaapv]

6 hours ago, irenedp said:

i didn’t know that the M11 had solved its issues. But I don’t see any reason other than the resolution to be an advantage over the 10r. and I have other cameras that match or exceed it. 

And you must ask yourself: is high resolution an advantage for you? Especially on a reportage-type camera. It has its own disadvantages and the advantages are pretty limited for quite a few photographers.  For many general photographers 24 MP is the sweet spot. 

[tappan]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

And you must ask yourself: is high resolution an advantage for you? Especially on a reportage-type camera. It has its own disadvantages and the advantages are pretty limited for quite a few photographers.  For many general photographers 24 MP is the sweet spot. 

I am growing tired of the longer wait downloading and post processing the bigger files from the M10-R than I had with my M9-P and M-10P.
I guess I could spend more money on a computer upgrade to solve some of this, but 60mp seems like a hassle to me.
Mark 

[tappan]

4 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said:

Ask users in the M10 section whether the M11 is now better and you expect what answer? 😂

Nip over to a Porsche forum and ask them if they prefer BMW’s?

You may get a different response in the M11 section. 

I took your advise and asked the same question in the M11 forum 🙂

[Derbyshire Man]

6 minutes ago, tappan said:

I am growing tired of the longer wait downloading and post processing the bigger files from the M10-R than I had with my M9-P and M-10P.
I guess I could spend more money on a computer upgrade to solve some of this, but 60mp seems like a hassle to me.
Mark 

This sounds like a reason not to change. If you'd said I need USB charging or more MP as I crop a lot then maybe. I don't know how you copy your files across but I find direct from SD much much faster than by cable.

[tappan]

4 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

This sounds like a reason not to change. If you'd said I need USB charging or more MP as I crop a lot then maybe. I don't know how you copy your files across but I find direct from SD much much faster than by cable.

Thx. Card reader into photomechanical.
Edits to Lightroom Classic and then tweaked in photoshop 2024

[jaapv]

26 minutes ago, tappan said:

I am growing tired of the longer wait downloading and post processing the bigger files from the M10-R than I had with my M9-P and M-10P.
I guess I could spend more money on a computer upgrade to solve some of this, but 60mp seems like a hassle to me.
Mark 

It was quite a revelation when I switched from an Intel Mac to an M2Pro Mac mini Not so much the upload time ( I always use a reader and like coffee) but the time saved in postprocessing, especially modern AI apps. ( no, not generative 🙃) 

[irenedp]

8 hours ago, jaapv said:

And you must ask yourself: is high resolution an advantage for you? Especially on a reportage-type camera. It has its own disadvantages and the advantages are pretty limited for quite a few photographers.  For many general photographers 24 MP is the sweet spot. 

I agree. For architecture and complex landscape which will be printed in large sizes, I use a Phase One (or a Cambo with the same IQ4 back) and have an S3 as a backup. All that is tripod work, slow, sometimes several minutes if I use frame averaging to get rid of the people passing by. For most everything else, I don't need the resolution, and I work with an M9 and the 10r. The M9 has only 18 mp but it suffices. Actually, it allows lower shutter speeds than the 10r (an advantage of lower resolution).

[hjddd]

we M10 generation users need new firmware, too, jaja

[Adam Bonn]

I already slightly begrudge my 10-R having 40mp, but on balance I like working on the files more than I did the M10 (they're more malleable and nicer in the highlights)

Personally I have no desire for a 60mp rangefinder, the bigger battery and internal storage aren't enticing for me (OMWV), ISO64 might be nice... but overall the M11 is (AFAIK) to all intents and purposes the same form factor and OVF experience as the M11, so I think that it will basically feel like the same camera to use.

The upgrade from the 240 to the M10 was tangible in so many areas (smaller body, more eye relief OVF, nicer files, nicer colours, more DR)

The upgrade from the 10 to the 10-R was a bit tougher, more malleable files and the physical improvements from the 10-P

The 10-R to 11 upgrade path for me (YMMV) isn't so clear at all.

 

[Bliz]

Regardless that I can’t afford a M11 right now, I have no desire of getting one over my m10r. It isn’t much better in low light compared to it, which is the only thing I find lacking on the m10r compared to my ibis equipped Sony mirrorless. During the day I enjoy the m4 more than both anyway.

Edited 18 hours ago by Bliz

[rramesh]

I am very happy with my M10-P. 20 MP is more than enough for my needs. With the Visoflex 2, I can easily accurately frame wide-angle shots.

Don't see a need for either the M11 or the M-EVF.

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[ELAN]

On my shelf are all M rangefinders produced since the M9, with the M10-R being my favorite.  I like many of the M11 features (weight, geotagging, USB-C, FOTOS connectivity, battery life) but all combined they do not outweigh the pleasure of using the M10-R, especially the shutter experience and colors out of the camera - there’s something special about that sensor.  The M10-P is my second favorite.