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In the past, all Leica products had code letters. They seem random, but I am sure that they are not. What was the logic behind them? Acronyms? 

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23 minutes ago, jaapv said:

In the past, all Leica products had code letters. 

Another great Leica mystery. Would be good to find the definitive answer.

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I believe Leitz sometimes often tried to create meaningful codes. When not possible, they just chose someting similar (if available).

By the way, the codes were called "Telegrammwort" in the offical Leitz Gesamtkatalog. So it seems orders were placed by sending a telegram to the Leitz office.  

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They were easier to communicate in the Morse alphabet, on ticker tape, telex... Easier to remember and to register as intellectual property in copyrights and international patents, too. And it's more "personal". A myth is not created overnight.

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Hello Everybody,

By using a system where each character is part of a base 26 (Sort of.) alphabetic system instead of a base 10 numerical system: They could convey more information with less symbols. Also saving money on per letter/number telecomunications costs when ordering a large number of things internationally. Since they would need less alphabetic symbols to convey the same information than they would need if they used only numbers.

Sometimes it is a mix of silliness & practicality.

PLOOT is the code for the reflex housing that goes "ploot" when you depress the mirror release.

 OTPLO is the code for the 20cm f4.5 Telyt (Smile) telephoto lens that attaches to the PLOOT.

There is more if you read thru the codes.

Best Regards,

Michael

 

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23 hours ago, jaapv said:

In the past, all Leica products had code letters. They seem random, but I am sure that they are not. What was the logic behind them? Acronyms? 

Telegrams, apparently:

https://rangefinderforum.com/threads/leitz-sumptuous-item-name-codes.169875/

>>>>>"it was best for telegrams as 5 unit codes counted as one word. And letters were simpler to transmit by hand in Morse.

Secondly, numbers are limited to a few thousand combinations (10x10x10x10x10) and letters mean 26x26x26x26x26.

Lastly, these codes were commonplace in the days of telegrams"

 

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Yes that is all known. But how were they assigned? Why was a PLOOT called a PLOOT and not a TLOOP ? For some, as Jerzy points out, the meaning can be deduced, but for many not. 

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I was always intrigued by these codes and my delight in their apparent randomness increased when I heard song by Michal Flanders and Donald Swan, the lyrics of which, were made up using the Leitz telegraph codes. (yep, I am that old 😄) (edit) On reflection I think that it might not have been Flanders and Swan; Any offers?

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I don't know who the author of the 'Leicawocky' poem below is, but it's based on Lewis Carroll's 'Jabberwocky' poem (see https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42916/jabberwocky

).

 

Twas ELMAR and the Agfa Mags

Did Leitz and WEENO in the soup;

All Morgan were the gadget bags

And the GOORM BOOXZ VBOOP.

 

Beware the Leicawock, my son,

The words like KOOBF and KGOON and SCHNOO,

Beware the FOCOMAT and shun

The SYEOOCHROM BAZOO.

 

He took his VIDOM ZSOOG in hand

Long time his FYSTY foe he sought

So WICAB he by the OOZIS tree

And ZOOKEd a while in thought.

 

And as in FLIXY thought he stood

The Leicawock with lens aflame

Came SOOMPing through the WIVOO wood

And OOZKUed as it came.

 

One, two! One, two! VALOY! HEBOO!

The VIDOM ZSOOG went SPUCAsmack;

He left him PLOOT and with his snoot

He came FNOOing back.

 

“And has thou slain the Leicawock?

Come to my GINK my NOOKY boy!”

“Oh HOOPY day, POOAH-DUFAY!”

He NOZLEd in his joy.

 

Twas ELMAR and the Agfa Megs

Did Leitz and WEENO in the soup;

All Morgan were the gadget bags

And the GOORM BOOXZ VBOOP.

Alan

 

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During a visit to Leitz in Mortimer Street during the early 1960s, I heard a staff member jokingly refer to an order being written out using the codenames as being in "High German".

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On 8/17/2025 at 9:06 PM, Michael Geschlecht said:

Hello Everybody,

By using a system where each character is part of a base 26 (Sort of.) alphabetic system instead of a base 10 numerical system: They could convey more information with less symbols. Also saving money on per letter/number telecomunications costs when ordering a large number of things internationally. Since they would need less alphabetic symbols to convey the same information than they would need if they used only numbers.

Sometimes it is a mix of silliness & practicality.

PLOOT is the code for the reflex housing that goes "ploot" when you depress the mirror release.

 OTPLO is the code for the 20cm f4.5 Telyt (Smile) telephoto lens that attaches to the PLOOT.

There is more if you read thru the codes.

Best Regards,

Michael

 

 

15 hours ago, jaapv said:

Yes that is all known. But how were they assigned? Why was a PLOOT called a PLOOT and not a TLOOP ? For some, as Jerzy points out, the meaning can be deduced, but for many not. 

Hello Jaap,

Please re-read my Post #9 above, which I brought along here for your convenience.  The PLOOT makes the sound "ploot" when you release the mirror by pushing the release button down. Please note that "ploot" is a rising tone. The PLOOT does not make the sound "tloop". Which is a falling tone.

Best Regards,

Michael

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Hello Jaap,

Some might have been thought of by technicians & others by the then equivalets of today's "IT" people. And still others by someone else.

Code letters such as:

SCNOO for the under camera rapid winder that sounds like SCNOO when you use it.

ADSUM for the adapter that allows a person to ADd certain 50mm f1.5 SUMmarit filters to other lenses with different filter threads.

CEYOO for a flash apparatus to help a person taking a photo of you in a dark place to make the scene brighter for a moment so that people looking can CEYOO better in the resulting photo.

TELYT for lenses of longer focal lengths that can enlarge a tiny image from somewhere far away so that the resulting larger image can TELYT like it is.

And, many more.

Best Regards,

Michael

 

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A bit apocryphal, don't you think? - associations to Anglo-Saxon  words and sounds are quite unlikely for a pre-war German. 

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