Alexander108 Posted July 23 Share #1 Posted July 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I am looking forward to visit the Grand Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Monument Valley and some more places next year after more than 10y. Back then I had a Canon EOS 70D. I had no clue of how to proper expose and what aperture really means and shot most in automatic mode with sometimes horrible results. This time I want to nail it. I did a lot of landscape in the past with my Canon 5D Mk IV, R and later R5 with good lenses and great results. But... that meant carrying 12kg equipment incl. ND filters and a sturdy tripod. I still have my R5 and recently looked at it again, only to find that it is sooo heavy. The camera with my beloved 24-105mm f/4 lens weighs 1.6 kg alone while the Q3 weighs less than 1kg. So, am wondering. Would my Q3 + D-Lux 8 be sufficient for landscape? The Q3 gives me a decent 18.9MP at 50mm crop. But cropping in further may not make any sense. Or should I buy an M11 (maybe pre-owned) with 15mm lens, 50mm lens and 90mm lens to cover most of what I need, which would be a significant investment. That, of course, would be an excuse to get buy one. I even considered replacing my Canon gear with a Sony A7CII + lens. The Horseshoe Bend in Page, AZ for instance was shot with 10mm lens (16mm equivalent). But I selected auto mode back then and the camera selected f/22 for whatever reason. Or I dialed it in for the nice sun star. Of course, the picture is not sharp at all. Not too shabby but certainly not well done. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A Q3 w/ 28mm would not even closely be able to capture this. For my R5 I have a 15-35 f/2.8 lens (1 kg). But I guess the is the only place where I would need such a wide lens. Any thoughts, experiences welcome. Edited July 23 by Alexander108 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A Q3 w/ 28mm would not even closely be able to capture this. For my R5 I have a 15-35 f/2.8 lens (1 kg). But I guess the is the only place where I would need such a wide lens. Any thoughts, experiences welcome. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/423246-landscape-leica-q3-or-m-or-yet-another/?do=findComment&comment=5837544'>More sharing options...
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spydrxx Posted July 23 Share #2 Posted July 23 It seems to me that the main issue depends on what you want to do with the final product....just view it on screen, project it, or print it, and if so, how large. Almost any camera with a good appropriate focal length lens will produce a good picture if you properly expose it. That involves proper metering and locking the exposure or measuring and going manual mode to adjust as needed. The alternative would be to bracket exposures in a scene like the one above. Obviously more pixels in a digital body will provide greater results when cropping than a lower resolution image. Another option would be to use a longer focal length lens and stitch the images for a final one. You have lots of options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #3 Posted July 23 Good point. I want to be able to print them in 23"x16" (A2 format in Germany 420 x 594 mm). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted July 23 Share #4 Posted July 23 (edited) sounds more like the main issue is a lightweight high MP camera with a 15mm or wider lens? R5 has pixel shift too. so the OP can make nice high resolution prints that look perfect even at close distances but i smell a GAS Attack incoming Edited July 23 by frame-it 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #5 Posted July 23 (edited) Thank you. If you have the right focal length, you don't even need the 60MP the M11 has. Maybe the question is: prove me wrong that my approach to landscape is unnecessary (15mm lens and the like). Maybe the Q3 can do 90% of what I want to shoot in landscape. However, I'm just not used to that approach. I was used to my 12kg Canon equipment with a sturdy Manfrotto tripod and all the different lenses covering 15mm to 400mm (I have to say I used the 100-400mm lens less and less). Will I be happy visiting Grand Canyon, Antelope Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Monument Valley, Zion with just this equipment? What would you guys do? BTW, a 33MP file is good for a 23"x16" print Edited July 23 by Alexander108 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 23 Share #6 Posted July 23 3 hours ago, Alexander108 said: I am looking forward to visit the Grand Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Monument Valley and some more places next year after more than 10y. Back then I had a Canon EOS 70D. I had no clue of how to proper expose and what aperture really means and shot most in automatic mode with sometimes horrible results. This time I want to nail it. I did a lot of landscape in the past with my Canon 5D Mk IV, R and later R5 with good lenses and great results. But... that meant carrying 12kg equipment incl. ND filters and a sturdy tripod. I still have my R5 and recently looked at it again, only to find that it is sooo heavy. The camera with my beloved 24-105mm f/4 lens weighs 1.6 kg alone while the Q3 weighs less than 1kg. So, am wondering. Would my Q3 + D-Lux 8 be sufficient for landscape? The Q3 gives me a decent 18.9MP at 50mm crop. But cropping in further may not make any sense. Or should I buy an M11 (maybe pre-owned) with 15mm lens, 50mm lens and 90mm lens to cover most of what I need, which would be a significant investment. That, of course, would be an excuse to get buy one. I even considered replacing my Canon gear with a Sony A7CII + lens. The Horseshoe Bend in Page, AZ for instance was shot with 10mm lens (16mm equivalent). But I selected auto mode back then and the camera selected f/22 for whatever reason. Or I dialed it in for the nice sun star. Of course, the picture is not sharp at all. Not too shabby but certainly not well done. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A Q3 w/ 28mm would not even closely be able to capture this. For my R5 I have a 15-35 f/2.8 lens (1 kg). But I guess the is the only place where I would need such a wide lens. Any thoughts, experiences welcome. I regularly stitch with Q3 when 28mm is not wide enough. The result has more resolution and better DR. However, it works only on static scenes, like the one above. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #7 Posted July 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 16 Minuten schrieb SrMi: I regularly stitch with Q3 when 28mm is not wide enough. The result has more resolution and better DR. However, it works only on static scenes, like the one above. True. But you need to take 4-9 shots 2-3 vertical and 2-3 horizontal. I was lying on my belly taking the shot of the horseshoe bend looking down a 300ft abyss. But yes. I'd probably go to 36MP if I intend to stich. LR does a great job. Which leaves the question: do I need a lens longer than 50m (where I'd be happy to crop with the Q3)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #8 Posted July 23 (edited) Who would fly over from Europe to visit the Grand Canyon, and all the other places with a Q3/D-Lux 8 combination only? Edited July 23 by Alexander108 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 23 Share #9 Posted July 23 10 minutes ago, Alexander108 said: Who would fly over from Europe to visit the Frand Canyon, and all the other places with a Q3/D-Lux 8 combination only? I do not see any issues with photographing the Grand Canyon with Q3 alone. Maybe one will come home with images different from gazillion Grand Canyon images. And for the record, Horseshoe Bend is not part of the Grand Canyon. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #10 Posted July 23 vor 4 Minuten schrieb SrMi: And for the record, Horseshoe Bend is not part of the Grand Canyon. Right. It's 2h away close to Page, AZ but on the planned route (as Monument Valley, Zion and other places we want to visit). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 23 Share #11 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Alexander108 said: Right. It's 2h away close to Page, AZ but on the planned route (as Monument Valley, Zion and other places we want to visit). Antelope Canyon is also nearby. Consider booking a photography tour instead of the regular one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #12 Posted July 23 vor 4 Minuten schrieb SrMi: Antelope Canyon is also nearby. Consider booking a photography tour instead of the regular one. Indeed. That's the plan this time. Did not do the photographers tour 9y ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 23 Share #13 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Alexander108 said: Indeed. That's the plan this time. Did not do the photographers tour 9y ago. Expect now way more crowds than 9 years ago. Horseshoe Bend is a nightmare. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 23 Share #14 Posted July 23 32 minutes ago, Alexander108 said: Who would fly over from Europe to visit the Grand Canyon, and all the other places with a Q3/D-Lux 8 combination only? Not me! I would take only the Q3. 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #15 Posted July 23 vor 2 Minuten schrieb F-train: Not me! I would take only the Q3. I always need a backup! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankster Posted July 23 Share #16 Posted July 23 You will want weather & dust sealed for Antelope Canyon where fine sand rains down on you constantly. Also the wider the better for the slot canyons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 23 Share #17 Posted July 23 And you are in the USA then, B&H can ship overnight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 23 Share #18 Posted July 23 Just now, Alexander108 said: I always need a backup! +1 A smartphone with a good camera app can work as a backup to the D-Lux 8. BTW, the last time I visited that area (a year ago), I shot with the SL3 and 24-70/2.8, but most of the best shots were taken with the 24mm lens, with some shots also taken with the 40mm lens. I used Q3 mainly for Las Vegas. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #19 Posted July 23 vor 2 Minuten schrieb F-train: And you are in the USA then, B&H can ship overnight. Good to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 23 Author Share #20 Posted July 23 vor 36 Minuten schrieb SrMi: Expect now way more crowds than 9 years ago. Horseshoe Bend is a nightmare. Great opportunity for Street Photography in nature! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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