Talk me out of, or into, switching back to Leica?

[pgh]

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This thread took a bit of a fucked up turn that gets strangely close to victim blaming and I’m sorry if my comments played a part in it. I think the fear of losing an expensive camera set up is not necessarily irrational. Especially for those of us who have had the very real experience of not sitting on a pile of cash to make this an abstract problem (seemingly a small part of the forum). Just was advocating for trying to think through a way to help alleviate it.

Whether one is robbed or attacked by an off leash dog, showing fear does not make it the fault of the one attacked - that is the responsibility of the criminal. While it might be helpful to put on brave face in a threatening situation it is rational and human to show fear. 

 

Edited June 15 by pgh

[Stefan Herzberg]

I am not a fearful person but my M 9 got stolen in the streets of Quito in 2017 with a 35mm FLE. No chance to chase the robber uphill at that altitudes and with my age. Every loss gives room for a new beginning. I got a Sl with the 24-90 m and now use an SL 2. I bought a M10 out of nostalgia and sold it after a year again. Focusing M lenses on the SL System is so much better. 

[jaapv]

24 minutes ago, pgh said:

This thread took a bit of a fucked up turn that gets strangely close to victim blaming and I’m sorry if my comments played a part in it. I think the fear of losing an expensive camera set up is not necessarily irrational. Especially for those of us who have had the very real experience of not sitting on a pile of cash to make this an abstract problem (seemingly a small part of the forum). Just was advocating for trying to think through a way to help alleviate it.

Whether one is robbed or attacked by an off leash dog, showing fear does not make it the fault of the one attacked - that is the responsibility of the criminal. While it might be helpful to put on brave face in a threatening situation it is rational and human to show fear. 

 

Who said victim blaming? It seems to me to be quite rational to have an attitude that offers some prevention. 

[Photoworks]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

I don't even turn it off whe

That. is because the menu is meant to configure the camera, not to operate it, the menu is meant to "feed" the custom modes - and once you figure out the way the chapters are laid out, the menu is surprisingly easy to navigate, much more so than Leica's hodgepodge. The brilliant thing about Leica is the icons screen and the configuration system of the Fn buttons. After initial confusion, using both cameras (well, S5ii in my case) side by side became instinctive.

I disagree with you, I want the process of creating different shooting profiles, just like a didon the SL cameras.

what you are saying is valid for Sony.

the table is that once you save a set you can change it, even simple stuff like P to M mode, you need to out of the same configuration and set all parameters. In a Leica, you can do that anytime, all day long.

on top of that the S5II and S1rII have different menus, just like it is always a problem in sony cameras.

I do not say it is not possible to customize your camera, but I shoot in many different scenarios that require changes, and it is not possible in the Panasonic one in a save profile.

[jaapv]

No you don’t have to go into the menu to change such parameters, there is one Q button that gets you into a shortened menu, just like the icon screen on a Leica. 
The Panasonic, however, has far more direct control than the Leica by the click dials on top 

But the appreciation of a user profile is highly individual, I for instance have difficulties operating a Sony. Leica and Panasonic mix well for me. 
And yes in any brand models differ. Just compare SL, SL2 and SL3. 

[Photoworks]

37 minutes ago, jaapv said:

No you don’t have to go into the menu to change such parameters, there is one Q button that gets you into a shortened menu, just like the icon screen on a Leica. 
The Panasonic, however, has far more direct control than the Leica by the click dials on top 

As I said, it was saved in P, there is no way to change it on the fly.

[Jeff-w]

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Thanks everyone, lots of useful perspectives, sorry I haven’t replied to all of them.
 

On the topic of theft, I do have the privilege of being a particularly large and tall cis man, and while that may contribute to the fact that I thankfully have never yet had the experience of being robbed, I don’t think it’s fair to expect everyone to feel safe and confident in an unfamiliar rough neighborhood. And, I expect that loss of even a very expensive camera would be low on the list of reasons why being robbed would be a bad experience. 

i forget who it was but someone on YouTube advised that when you buy a camera, it should be something you could conceivably pay double for if you had to. Because that means you can carry it with you, take it out in rough conditions, use it for what it is meant to be used for without being too precious about it. 

As for menus etc, I just go between auto and manual ISO, P, A, or M mode, exposure comp, exposure lock, single autofocus vs MF, and that’s about it. Oh, And adjusting the minimum speec for auto shutter is helpful. So, any camera can probably be quick at those things once it’s set up and I’m used to it. though I honestly did spend hours figuring it how to disable all the other junk on the s5ii lol!! Even my former Olympus cameras, notorious for bad menus, were easier to set up, or maybe that’s my recollection because i eventually got used to them.. I think I will give the S5ii some more time, and maybe I’ll get used to the annoyances… it sounds like the SL2 might bring its own, anyway, though the SL2 would undoubtedly be more enjoyable to hold!   

[NightPix]

I've had an SL2 for several years, and recently picked up an SL2s as a second body for an upcoming excursion to Antarctica. I've never had a battery issue with either SL once I figured out that you have to keep Bluetooth turned off. I do some hiking in the swamps of Florida looking for wildlife so I keep the SL on my shoulder and the switch turned on for hours (sleep mode) because I want to be able to use it as soon as I see something, and before the critter slinks away into the tall grass, trees, or under the water. I carry an extra battery just in case but so far haven't needed it. If I turn the camera off with the switch, it almost guarantees that a rare beast will appear briefly in front of me and then run off as the camera boots up. I find Leica menus easy and quick to navigate, and I have set up User Profiles for various shooting scenarios (landscape, wildlife, low light, etc.). The custom buttons let you make temporary changes quickly on the fly without buggering up the Profiles. I have one of the custom buttons set to change Profiles as needed. My old eyes won't abide rangefinder focus any more so the excellent EVF in the SL is a life saver. I love using my M lenses on the SL. One other thing to consider - the SL is built like a tank. You  don't have to get robbed to lose a camera - I'lll wager they get dropped more than stolen. You might ding the paint on an SL, but it will fare better than a plastic body. 

[jaapv]

On 6/15/2025 at 10:11 PM, NightPix said:

I've had an SL2 for several years, and recently picked up an SL2s as a second body for an upcoming excursion to Antarctica. I've never had a battery issue with either SL once I figured out that you have to keep Bluetooth turned off. I do some hiking in the swamps of Florida looking for wildlife so I keep the SL on my shoulder and the switch turned on for hours (sleep mode) because I want to be able to use it as soon as I see something, and before the critter slinks away into the tall grass, trees, or under the water. I carry an extra battery just in case but so far haven't needed it. If I turn the camera off with the switch, it almost guarantees that a rare beast will appear briefly in front of me and then run off as the camera boots up. I find Leica menus easy and quick to navigate, and I have set up User Profiles for various shooting scenarios (landscape, wildlife, low light, etc.). The custom buttons let you make temporary changes quickly on the fly without buggering up the Profiles. I have one of the custom buttons set to change Profiles as needed. My old eyes won't abide rangefinder focus any more so the excellent EVF in the SL is a life saver. I love using my M lenses on the SL. One other thing to consider - the SL is built like a tank. You  don't have to get robbed to lose a camera - I'lll wager they get dropped more than stolen. You might ding the paint on an SL, but it will fare better than a plastic body. 

Fortunately Panasonics are not made of plastic…. 

[Paul2660]

Not sure where the OP is located, but U.S used prices on the SL2 are very reasonable now.  I was going to sell mine as I purchased a SL3 early this year.   But the used market even with the tariff issue did not seem to improve the used SL2 value. 

As far as menu's, I still prefer the menu of the SL2 over the SL3.  As for Panasonic menus they are similar to Nikon, Sony and Canon so I guess they are not a big issue for me.  I agree you can get where you need to faster with the SL2 vs a S1R.  But as a single topic shooter (landscape), once I have a camera dialed in I rarely need to change. 

Can't Speak to video, only that the SL2-2 should do better there than the SL2.  

Hasselblad (I realize out of topic) has the best design of menu's I have ever used.  But they other issues with their Phocus software (terrible). 

I used my SL2 extensively for 2.5 years and it always gave me good results unless I need to push the shadows or needed a high ISO range.  

Paul 

[Jeff-w]

1 hour ago, Paul2660 said:

Not sure where the OP is located, but U.S used prices on the SL2 are very reasonable now.  I was going to sell mine as I purchased a SL3 early this year.   But the used market even with the tariff issue did not seem to improve the used SL2 value. 

As far as menu's, I still prefer the menu of the SL2 over the SL3.  As for Panasonic menus they are similar to Nikon, Sony and Canon so I guess they are not a big issue for me.  I agree you can get where you need to faster with the SL2 vs a S1R.  But as a single topic shooter (landscape), once I have a camera dialed in I rarely need to change. 

Can't Speak to video, only that the SL2-2 should do better there than the SL2.  

Hasselblad (I realize out of topic) has the best design of menu's I have ever used.  But they other issues with their Phocus software (terrible). 

I used my SL2 extensively for 2.5 years and it always gave me good results unless I need to push the shadows or needed a high ISO range.  

Paul 

Thanks! Yes, I'm in the US - and yes, the tariffs have jacked up both new and used prices for the newest models of everything, plus the prices on older M10 etc cameras seem to have also gone up. But, on the other hand, the older SL, SL2, and SL2-S cameras are indeed affordable.

And UPDATE: Yesterday I just ordered a used SL2-S for, oh my gosh, just under $2000! It's arriving tomorrow; perhaps I will remember to report back! I'm encouraged by the folks who responded above, here, about being able to leave the power on all day and rely on sleep mode. I know, it's a less capable camera feature-wise compared to my S5II, but I don't think I'm losing any features that really matter to me in day to day use and I'm gaining usability and the option to use wide angle rangefinder lenses without blurry purple corners. And, if it doesn't solve all my problems and bring contentment to my life, I can always sell it for the price I paid.

You know, funny you should mention Hasselblad, I also glanced at the X1D-50C on a whim since those are also selling used now for $2000, though that model seemed a bit old and slow, even for me. And I've changed systems too many times already! I'll be sticking with l-mount for a bit. 

[Jeff-w]

On 6/15/2025 at 4:11 PM, NightPix said:

...  I do some hiking in the swamps of Florida looking for wildlife so I keep the SL on my shoulder and the switch turned on for hours (sleep mode) because I want to be able to use it as soon as I see something, and before the critter slinks away into the tall grass, trees, or under the water. I carry an extra battery just in case but so far haven't needed it. ...

Thank you, this is exactly how I'd like to roll and it sounds from your description like the SL2-S will do what I need!!

[Jeff-w]

Okay I've had the Leica SL2-S for a week. I can confirm that it has a way better usability (for me anyway), compared to the Panny S5II. Honestly, the SL2-S default setup is darn near exactly where I would set things up; I just turned off the focus assist lamp and turned off the touch screen focusing and I'm good to go. Yes, the autofocus, subject detection, and tracking are all major downgrades from the S5II. But, sAF is still fine for stills. If I were shooting stuff that moved around quickly and unpredictably, or if I used subject-detect continuous autofocus in video mode, then this would have been a bad downgrade. But, for me shooting mostly stills or simple short video clips, the SL2-S is better. I gotta say that it's brilliant that flipping the MF/AF switch on the lens into MF mode enables back-button focus. And, I can leave it turned on and it goes to sleep perfectly on its own, with a super fast startup time when I halfpress the shutter, no wasted battery, and everything is where I left it (after disabling the touchscreen af). This is what I was hoping for, woo hoo!  And, although it weighs a bit more than the S5II, I don't notice the weight difference much with a lens, and the simple non-fussy ergonomics make it actually easier to hold. Time to sell the S5II! Thanks everyone for the help; it's hard to evaluate camera decisions based solely on influencers' youtube reviews!  

Edit: Also, I appreciate the first menu interface that comes up when I hit "menu," with all the icons for common settings, like the Olympus Super Control Panel that I actually liked quite a lot, several years ago! 

Edited June 23 by Jeff-w

[Jeff S]

On 6/14/2025 at 7:23 PM, pgh said:

There is insurance that exists specifically for photographers. They cover basically everything. This isn’t a rider on your home/renters insurance but an entirely different policy. Either way, I still can’t imagine a fear of losing the best tool for a purpose precluding the actual use of it. 
 

Mine is a separate policy offered by my home insurance company (premium plan), and provides itemized coverage for my camera gear, vintage prints and rare photo books.  For camera gear, coverage is worldwide, full replacement value, no deductible and truly comprehensive, with excellent service.  Premiums are very reasonable, but one must first qualify based on strict home policy underwriting.  Companies like AIG and Chubb are among the few with such plans, but the OP is in the US, so might possibly qualify.

[pgh]

32 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Mine is a separate policy offered by my home insurance company (premium plan), and provides itemized coverage for my camera gear, vintage prints and rare photo books.  For camera gear, coverage is worldwide, full replacement value, no deductible and truly comprehensive, with excellent service.  Premiums are very reasonable, but one must first qualify based on strict home policy underwriting.  Companies like AIG and Chubb are among the few with such plans, but the OP is in the US, so might possibly qualify.

Those are a good way to go but for anyone shooting often and doing jobs something like this https://www.packagechoice.com I think is much more preferable. 

[Jeff S]

3 minutes ago, pgh said:

Those are a good way to go but for anyone shooting often and doing jobs something like this https://www.packagechoice.com I think is much more preferable. 

OP’s first sentence… hobby photographer, not a professional. 

[lencap]

My "complaint" about the SL2-S is the battery life being relatively short, as the OP noted.  To extend the battery life I asked several AIs to find solutions to battery drain.  The AI presented links to the sources used to generate the reply, but I deleted them for brevity.

Here is my AI Query:  How can I minimize battery use on Leica SL2-S - it's been suggested that turning off WiFi will help? 

Here's the AI reply:

You are absolutely right to question battery consumption on the Leica SL2-S, especially coming from a background of extensive use. While the SL2-S offers fantastic image quality and a robust build, battery life is often a topic of discussion among users, particularly when compared to DSLRs or even some other mirrorless cameras.

Yes, turning off Wi-Fi will definitely help minimize battery use on your Leica SL2-S. Wi-Fi (and Bluetooth) modules constantly draw power when active, even if not actively transmitting data, as they are scanning for networks or maintaining a connection. Think of it like a smartphone – if Wi-Fi is on all day, the battery drains faster.

Beyond Wi-Fi, here's a comprehensive breakdown of how to maximize battery life on your SL2-S, from the perspective of an advanced user who appreciates control and optimizing performance:

Key Battery Drainers on the SL2-S (and Mirrorless Cameras in General):

1. Electronic Viewfinder (EVF) and LCD Screen: These are the biggest power hungry components. They are always on when the camera is active, displaying a live feed from the sensor.

2. Image Stabilization (IBIS): The in-body image stabilization system works continuously when the camera is on, even if you're not shooting, to stabilize the sensor.

3. Autofocus System: Especially "pre-focusing" or continuous autofocus (AF-C) modes where the camera is constantly hunting for focus.

4. Wireless Connectivity (Wi-Fi and Bluetooth): As you've noted, these consume power for scanning and maintaining connections.

5. Sensor Activity: The sensor itself is continuously active to provide the live view, process data, and prepare for capture.

6. Processor: The Maestro III processor is powerful and fast, but this also means it consumes energy.

7. High Frame Rate Modes: Shooting continuous bursts or high-speed video.

8. Heavy Reviewing: Constantly reviewing images on the LCD or EVF.

Strategies to Minimize Battery Use on Your Leica SL2-S:

1. Manage Wireless Connectivity (Wi-Fi & Bluetooth):

   • Definitely turn off Wi-Fi when not actively using the Leica FOTOS app for tethering, remote control, or image transfer. This is one of the most impactful changes you can make.

   • While Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) typically draws less power, if you're not using it for constant connection to the FOTOS app, turning it off can also contribute to small savings.

2. Optimize EVF & LCD Usage:

   • "EVF Extended" or "Eye Sensor Only" Mode: This setting (often found in display or power-saving menus) ensures that the LCD is off, and the EVF only activates when you bring your eye to it. This is a significant power saver.

   • Reduce Brightness: Lower the brightness for both the EVF and the rear LCD screen. Every notch down saves power.

   • Minimize Image Review: Set the "Image Review" time to a very short duration (e.g., 1-2 seconds) or turn it off entirely if you only review images occasionally. Avoid excessive chimping on the screen.

3. Adjust Power Saving Settings:

   • Auto Power Off: Set the camera to auto-power off after a short period of inactivity (e.g., 30 seconds or 1 minute). This is one of the most effective ways to save battery, as the camera draws less power when in standby.

   • "All Displays Auto Off": Similar to auto power off, this turns off the screens when the camera is idle.

4. Manage Autofocus Settings:

   • Turn off "Pre-Focusing": If this option is available (it often is on mirrorless cameras), disabling it prevents the camera from constantly trying to achieve focus even when you're not half-pressing the shutter. This is a known battery drainer.

   • Use AF-S (Single Shot AF) where possible: Continuous Autofocus (AF-C) modes constantly tax the processor and AF system. Switch to AF-S when your subject is stationary.

5. Image Stabilization (IBIS):

   • While you generally want IBIS on for stability, be aware it draws power. If you're on a tripod, or shooting with very fast shutter speeds where IBIS isn't critical, you could consider turning it off, but for handheld shooting, the benefit usually outweighs the power consumption. There might be a setting to turn it off when on a tripod.

6. Other Considerations:

   • Latest Firmware: Always ensure your SL2-S has the latest firmware installed. Leica (and other manufacturers) often release firmware updates that improve battery management and overall efficiency.

   • Battery Health: Over time, all rechargeable batteries degrade.² If you have older batteries, their capacity might have diminished. Consider purchasing a fresh, genuine Leica BP-SCL4 battery if your existing ones are several years old or have seen heavy use.

   • Avoid Extreme Temperatures: Both very cold and very hot temperatures can negatively impact battery performance.

   • External Power (USB-C): The SL2-S can be powered and charged via its USB-C port.³ For long shooting sessions or tethered work, using an external USB-C power bank can be a lifesaver, allowing you to keep shooting without draining internal batteries.

By systematically going through these settings and adopting conscious shooting habits, you can significantly extend the battery life of your Leica SL2-S and get more shots per charge. The Wi-Fi tip is indeed a great starting point!

Edited June 25 by lencap

[IkarusJohn]

On 6/24/2025 at 10:43 AM, pgh said:

Those are a good way to go but for anyone shooting often and doing jobs something like this https://www.packagechoice.com I think is much more preferable. 

Insurance varies considerably from market to market.  I have comprehensive replacement insurance through a mutual insurance society.  The premiums are reasonable, and my home contents policy includes identified items over NZ$4,000 in value for full replacement cover globally.  So, when I dropped my camera in Japan, the company simply covered it.

There’s no one answer.  It pays to shop around.  But I wouldn’t go out on one of my bikes or take a camera out without knowing it’s fully insured.  Why would I?

Edited June 25 by IkarusJohn