Stuart Richardson Posted June 1 Share #101 Posted June 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, SrMi said: I have been shooting a lot with H6D at 1/500 from helicopter (and a Sony A7r2 with IBIS), and lack of stabilization was not an issue when handholding and not leaning on the helicopter. Same goes for people who shot with Phase One. Sounds like you have access to a more stable helicopter. I was obviously not pressing against the helicopter to shoot. There was just so much inherent vibration. In any case, it was just an example. My main point seems to be what a lot of people are saying. 1. It is not necessary. 2. It would be helpful if they do it properly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted June 1 Share #102 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Stuart Richardson said: .... 1. It is not necessary. 2. It would be helpful if they do it properly. Hear hear! But, unfortunately, it is a forlorn hope that you will end this tortuous thread. I wish we could find something new to complain talk about apart from Magenta and IBIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted June 1 Share #103 Posted June 1 Hmm. Maybe raise a cry for those who are left-eyed? Not a condition I'm afflicted with... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1 Share #104 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, DadDadDaddyo said: Hmm. Maybe raise a cry for those who are left-eyed? Not a condition I'm afflicted with... Surely they just hold the camera upside down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 1 Share #105 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Corius said: Surely they just hold the camera upside down? If I were upside down, IBIS would definitely help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted June 1 Share #106 Posted June 1 4 hours ago, Corius said: Hear hear! But, unfortunately, it is a forlorn hope that you will end this tortuous thread. I wish we could find something new to complain talk about apart from Magenta and IBIS. Where is my Leica M with Auto Focus!!! IBIS can wait! /s 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1 Share #107 Posted June 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 39 minutes ago, mboerma said: Where is my Leica M with Auto Focus!!! IBIS can wait! /s Doesn't your Leica M have AF? I read that you enable it by selecting position 16 on the lens Function Ring. It seems to work well but the pictures are sometimes blurred in low light, so I guess I need IBIS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 1 Share #108 Posted June 1 Ah, the good old Trve Leicaman Screaming At Things pattern. Usually it works out like the 5 stages of grief: 1. Denial: “we don’t need feature X, I’ve been shooting daguerreotypes handheld since 1891” 2. Anger: “you don’t have proper technique, go buy a Sony!” 3. Bargaining: “ok, I admit IBIS is good on other cameras, but not on a M” 4. Depression: “why is Leica adding IBIS to M? I swear that’s the last Leica I’ll ever buy” 5. Acceptance: after Jono’s review, everyone is happy and the new mantra is “feature X is so good, what was Leica waiting for to add it?” 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 1 Share #109 Posted June 1 On 5/31/2025 at 7:55 AM, Stuart Richardson said: I use the SL2 and the M10M. I am in my forties and have no tremor problems, and have been photographing with M cameras for 25 years. When I look at my files, the SL2 files show consistently less motion blur. I tend not to shoot in super low light without a tripod. In the large majority of cases, the M files are show no degradation, but there are certainly times when the images are in lower light that there is noticeable motion blur. I am not talking about total softness, just noticeable degradation between frames. The SL2 just doesn't really suffer from it. My conclusion is that IBIS does indeed help in both subtle and unsubtle ways. I tend to use my EVF for precise focus with my 135mm tele-elmar on the M10M, and that would certainly benefit from IBIS on magnification for focusing. I don't think the M absolutely requires IBIS, but it certainly could help. If they do it in a way that does not increase the size of the body and can be turned off, I think it would be a good addition. Technology advances and things that used to not be possible become routine. I am old enough to remember the early 2000s when Leica was insisting that a digital M camera was impossible. And certainly small cameras have IBIS now...look at the Ricoh GRIII...it has in-body stabilization in a camera so small it could fit inside an M. The sensor is smaller, but not THAT small. Well, I’m in my 70’s, shooting Ms for about 40 years, and now using the M10M (and R) and SL2. And I do have some hand tremors, but our thoughts on stabilization are similarly aligned. I love shooting with M bodies, and my modest sized prints are good enough that nobody talks about blur (unless intentional). Nevertheless, my SL2 pics are more reliably and consistently sharp, and typically are able to be cropped or enlarged to a greater degree than my similarly handheld M images (always focused using RF). I don’t need IBIS in an M, but I sure could understand the benefits, provided it’s implemented well in a similar size and weight. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted June 1 Share #110 Posted June 1 On 5/27/2025 at 7:59 AM, lct said: Obstacle to slow shutter speeds here. I don't use my M11 for speeds slower than 1/(2f)s. I kept my M240 for that. Not a huge issue but the M11 is the first M since the 50s to suffer from that. It has excuses but i won't buy the M12 or a possible EVF-M if Leica doesn't fix this issue with IBIS or otherwise. YMMV. As Kiwimac said above, the SL with M glass is the way to go if you need IBIS and M optics. It is still good form factor with the M lens. I don't miss the IBIS on the M11, but I love it on the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 2 Share #111 Posted June 2 39 minutes ago, S Maclean said: As Kiwimac said above, the SL with M glass is the way to go if you need IBIS and M optics. It is still good form factor with the M lens. I don't miss the IBIS on the M11, but I love it on the SL. Thank you but SL cameras are too big for my taste and cannot do auto zoom with M lenses. Neither does my Kolari mod a7r2 but it is more compact than the SL. Works well with M lenses otherwise but i prefer the M11. Too bad it has no IBIS but the EVF-M will perhaps have some image stabilization. Just a hope, as i have no info about it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted June 2 Share #112 Posted June 2 interesting times for camera development as really this is the ceiling for non IBIS camera's like the M11 and Fuji RF, actually the ceiling should have been 40mp for the Leica, where do they go from here, anymore megapixels and the M would be completely unusable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted June 2 Share #113 Posted June 2 4 hours ago, lct said: Thank you but SL cameras are too big for my taste and cannot do auto zoom with M lenses. Neither does my Kolari mod a7r2 but it is more compact than the SL. Works well with M lenses otherwise but i prefer the M11. Too bad it has no IBIS but the EVF-M will perhaps have some image stabilization. Just a hope, as i have no info about it. I’m looking forward to that evf m, I’m assuming it will be a hybrid EVF because, otherwise, it won’t be an M. Will it be better than just attaching the EVF module? of course. Add 40 mpg to make it 100 and add IBIS and then you have a monster, specially if it retains the form factor and has an actual viewfinder. but I can’t keep but thinking. In a world of multiple choices…. Why would I complicate a camera that captured my attention by being an analog digital camera ( so to speak). I have the SL and it’s perfect but monstruos lenses, I have the Q with its perfect… everything, but limited by its fixed lens…. I have hasselblad….. so why do I need to make an M an EVf camera when it’s a perfect.. M camera? Is it limited by not having ibis? Isn’t that what being a photographer is all about? Working out the shot? Use a tripod, increase ISO…. Get faster lenses…work out the shot. That’s what the M is for….. plenty of choices to challenge the physf photography. Let’s wait and see what it looks like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 2 Share #114 Posted June 2 9 hours ago, S Maclean said: I’m looking forward to that evf m, I’m assuming it will be a hybrid EVF because, otherwise, it won’t be an M. Will it be better than just attaching the EVF module? Hybrid tested and ruled out as “ no go” by Stefan Daniel due to space issues and unacceptable compromises to both systems. The M designation for a potential EVF based version has been beat to death here. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 2 Share #115 Posted June 2 16 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Hybrid tested and ruled out as “ no go” by Stefan Daniel due to space issues and unacceptable compromises to both systems. The M designation for a potential EVF based version has been beat to death here. That was how many years ago though? Almost 10, if I’m not mistaken? Technology evolves. Leica also said that a full frame M was impossible when the M8 was launched, so I’d take any comment about future developments with a grain of salt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 2 Share #116 Posted June 2 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: That was how many years ago though? Almost 10, if I’m not mistaken? Technology evolves. Leica also said that a full frame M was impossible when the M8 was launched, so I’d take any comment about future developments with a grain of salt He said it again in 2022. Edited June 2 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve edmunds Posted June 2 Share #117 Posted June 2 17 hours ago, hillavoider said: interesting times for camera development as really this is the ceiling for non IBIS camera's like the M11 and Fuji RF, actually the ceiling should have been 40mp for the Leica, where do they go from here, anymore megapixels and the M would be completely unusable Maybe Fuji and Leica know more about than you and its perfectly ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted June 2 Share #118 Posted June 2 Reckon I'll just ask this jazz combo to hold off starting their set in this dim, smoky cafe until I can get my auto-focus, image-stabilized M. I mean, no photographer could work under these conditions, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 2 Share #119 Posted June 2 56 minutes ago, DadDadDaddyo said: Reckon I'll just ask this jazz combo to hold off starting their set in this dim, smoky cafe until I can get my auto-focus, image-stabilized M. I mean, no photographer could work under these conditions, right? You definitely can use a M to shoot a concert, the same way I can use a heavy-goods vehicle to go buy milk at the corner shop in a small village with narrow pebbled roads in Europe. No one is stopping you, but you’re definitely going to have a harder time, especially for parking spots. TLDR: use the tool of your choice for the situation as long as you enjoy it. I’ll take a bike and IBIS any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted June 2 Share #120 Posted June 2 A Hasselblad 500-series, or a Rolleiflex TLR: that'd be the diesel truck in that situation. Folks have been knocking available light shots taken with Leicas in dim, smoky jazz clubs right out of the park for years, and years, and years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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