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10 hours ago, SrMi said:

Is there a simple deletion in the current computer OSs? Running SD Formatter on the computer is safe.

The simple deletion in Mac Photos is it downloads pics, then automatically wipes card.   I'm not sure how it can get more simple, other than it does not automatically "eject" the card after download/wipe?   But if I use a USB-C cable to do the downloading, it will wipe the card, then I turn off my M11, which "ejects" it.

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23 minutes ago, Tseg said:

The simple deletion in Mac Photos is it downloads pics, then automatically wipes card.   I'm not sure how it can get more simple, other than it does not automatically "eject" the card after download/wipe?   But if I use a USB-C cable to do the downloading, it will wipe the card, then I turn off my M11, which "ejects" it.

The Image Capture app can also do this, I think. If you don't want to use Apple Photos.

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44 minutes ago, Tseg said:

The simple deletion in Mac Photos is it downloads pics, then automatically wipes card.   I'm not sure how it can get more simple, other than it does not automatically "eject" the card after download/wipe?   But if I use a USB-C cable to do the downloading, it will wipe the card, then I turn off my M11, which "ejects" it.

That is not a "simple" delete, as modern OSs do everything in the most complicated way :).

In theory, a delete with Mac OS has been designed and tested to work on media handled by Mac OS, but M11's filesystem may not handle it well. Also, turning off M11 instead of ejecting the USB drive properly could corrupt data on the SD card (not an issue if the disk was not mounted in the first place).

It is fine if it works for you, but I do not think it is safe.

I wondered why some people always have issues with M11's stability while others do not. It could be how they handle M11's data from the computer—or not :).

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On 5/21/2025 at 10:10 PM, didier said:

Hi all, 

I am considering (note sure yet) a M11 color body to go with my M10M… and, if I had not read about the huge Problems with that camera that some of you had, I would probably consider the screenless option as the most interesting..

Is the M11D a camera to forget or is it only about a few very unfortunate users who picked a wrong copy ?

 

I'm happy with my M11-D............

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14 hours ago, SrMi said:

Is there a simple deletion in the current computer OSs? Running SD Formatter on the computer is safe.

Yes.  On my Mac the fancy stuff lives on top of Darwin, a unix-like OS based upon FreeBSD and Mach.   The unix command "rm <filename>" is the simple delete based upon the 'unlink' system call.

My image import process uses such commands as "cp" (copy), "cmp" (compare), and "rm" (remove) in a script to get images from SD card.  I type something like "pics <name of folder>" and the script does the rest of the work.  I could go the extra step and turn that into a GUI app  using something like applescript, but it's not worth my bother as I always have a terminal window open on my desktop, anyway.

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4 hours ago, SrMi said:

That is not a "simple" delete, as modern OSs do everything in the most complicated way :).

In theory, a delete with Mac OS has been designed and tested to work on media handled by Mac OS, but M11's filesystem may not handle it well. Also, turning off M11 instead of ejecting the USB drive properly could corrupt data on the SD card (not an issue if the disk was not mounted in the first place).

It is fine if it works for you, but I do not think it is safe.

I wondered why some people always have issues with M11's stability while others do not. It could be how they handle M11's data from the computer—or not :).

I’ve never had memory problems with my M11 deleting on Mac.  I don’t have the option to “eject” a USB connected M11.  So there is your answer… 6 months of this and not a single issue.  Apple has it sorted.

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On 5/23/2025 at 9:27 PM, setuporg said:

You are tempted to sneak peek.  Since it impossible with the originals you won’t do it.  Same as not chimping.

This really doesn’t need to be a thing. Don’t keep Fotos on your phone (as I don’t - a tablet is fine and idk about anyone else but I never carry that around with my camera), or better yet, don’t even keep a smartphone. Life is better without one.

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Is the fotos app a must have for setup and post setup normal usage? Or just for setup?

Knowing it’s a fringe case, but if the app somehow isn’t available either for setup or post setup use, are things dead in the water?

Or can the built in button sequences handle setup and normal usage?

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1 hour ago, o2mpx said:

Is the fotos app a must have for setup and post setup normal usage? Or just for setup?

Knowing it’s a fringe case, but if the app somehow isn’t available either for setup or post setup use, are things dead in the water?

Or can the built in button sequences handle setup and normal usage?

I can’t speak for the M11-D only the M10-D but it’s really a set it and forget it thing. The only thing is you’re stuck with your WB - which for me I always use daylight (and always have) - and you’re stuck with your auto ISO settings. I could imagine some people might want to change that from time to time. I don’t feel the need. 

No, nothing is dead in the water without the app. You’re just shooting at factory settings. 

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I also like my M11D. It reminds me of a film camera. I used the fotos app to set up, and occasionally use it to format a card, update firmware, and even once or twice used for previewing focus when camera was on tripod (M11D is my only camera).

I am very happy I got it instead of the M11M, converting to BW seems like a non-issue to me in post, since I am always doing something. The M11D generally prohibits me from confounding image creation with image editing, i.e. when I am taking pictures I am not thinking about whether they "came out", I can just go with the flow. I also really like the very limited controls on the camera, keeps it very simple.

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3 hours ago, o2mpx said:

Is the fotos app a must have for setup and post setup normal usage? Or just for setup?

Very occasionally I need the app to implement a 2 second delay when I use my M11-D on a tripod.   I really wish there was that function built into the function button on the camera.

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On 5/30/2025 at 4:15 AM, Tseg said:

Very occasionally I need the app to implement a 2 second delay when I use my M11-D on a tripod.   I really wish there was that function built into the function button on the camera.

How about threaded cable release?

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