Would you sell your M10R-BP for an M11-P safari?

[costa43]

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33 minutes ago, Robert Blanko said:

Even if it is strictly speaking not a limited edition, it also seems plausible that they have attributed a certain contingent for making batches of safari Ms. Thus, it could be quasi limited. Actually every digital M so far was strictly speaking limited, however in much larger batches... 

And if it is true that they will produce this until August, would this be an indicator of a new M camera? 🤔

As correctly and ironically noted elsewhere in the forum, the "special"/non-standard variants are usually sold at the end of the model cycle. And then the hype starts again until the next iteration.

I think the EVF M11 is next and my guess is at the 100 anniversary party in Wetzlar. It’s unlikely that the M12 will come this year. Looking at the past, January 2027 seems like a good bet. The M10-P Safari was actually released 3 years before the release of the M11. The Reporter edition was released a year before. 

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[hdmesa]

56 minutes ago, Robert Blanko said:

...Thus, it could be quasi limited...

Everyone knows they make fewer of the special editions than the regular editions. That doesn't make them limited, it just makes them what they are – regular production special editions. They end when Leica gets tired of making them.

If you want to argue the point further, I suggest reading the thread about the "limited edition" 50 Summilux Black Chrome. Nothing made by Leica is guaranteed to be limited unless it's a numbered edition.

[Robert Blanko]

vor einer Stunde schrieb hdmesa:

Everyone knows they make fewer of the special editions than the regular editions. That doesn't make them limited, it just makes them what they are – regular production special editions. They end when Leica gets tired of making them.

If you want to argue the point further, I suggest reading the thread about the "limited edition" 50 Summilux Black Chrome. Nothing made by Leica is guaranteed to be limited unless it's a numbered edition.

True - unless it's a numbered edition, it's only limited by their production plans.

But as the life cycle of an M model is usually much shorter than the life cycle of a lens model, a factual limitation kicks in much faster, depending on the production cycle. I can hardly imagine that Leica will come up in 10 years with let's say an M11 special edition.

[jakontil]

I think the M10D was strictly more “limited”, without saying it was limited as far as i remember but a shorter production run in a way

the m10 reporter too was very short production run compared to others and it was said limited since the beginning

[graphlex]

6 hours ago, hdmesa said:

Everyone knows they make fewer of the special editions than the regular editions. That doesn't make them limited, it just makes them what they are – regular production special editions. They end when Leica gets tired of making them.

If you want to argue the point further, I suggest reading the thread about the "limited edition" 50 Summilux Black Chrome. Nothing made by Leica is guaranteed to be limited unless it's a numbered edition.

I bought the Portuguese unlimited BC 50 ‘Lux.  It’s a magnificent lens, opulently well machined, robust and smoothly focusing at close distances. Produces excellent pictures.  But eventually I found it just too doggone heavy, especially with its hood. Off it went.  
 

I think a few of them are still available new. 

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5 hours ago, Robert Blanko said:

True - unless it's a numbered edition, it's only limited by their production plans.

 

One could argue BP-SCL2 batteries for the M240 are limited edition items right now.

[hdmesa]

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8 hours ago, Robert Blanko said:

True - unless it's a numbered edition, it's only limited by their production plans.

But as the life cycle of an M model is usually much shorter than the life cycle of a lens model, a factual limitation kicks in much faster, depending on the production cycle. I can hardly imagine that Leica will come up in 10 years with let's say an M11 special edition.

Yes, the timeline for M11 production + demand will determine M11 Gloss Black Paint and M11-P Safari production numbers. But this is something new for Leica in that they call them "regular production", meaning they'll make as many as they can sell while the M11/M11-P model is still in production. The M11 being discontinued could mean that they won't make any more M11 Gloss Black Paint once current stock is sold. 

Edited May 16 by hdmesa

[o2mpx]

The M10-R BP holds a special place being the last of the removable bottom plate lineage that goes way back, 40mp sensor, special paint finish, and limited production run (not to mean limited edition). Definitely planning on keeping it. 

Had thought about adding the M11 since it represents the start of a new era, but the noise about magenta cast, freezing etc gave pause. Waiting to see what the EVF M11 will be and toss up between that and the M11 GBP. 

Edited May 17 by o2mpx

[Kiwimac]

On 5/16/2025 at 2:12 PM, graphlex said:

I bought the Portuguese unlimited BC 50 ‘Lux.  It’s a magnificent lens, opulently well machined, robust and smoothly focusing at close distances. Produces excellent pictures.  But eventually I found it just too doggone heavy, especially with its hood. Off it went.  
 

I think a few of them are still available new. 

You can certainly buy the black chrome 50 Lux new here in New Zealand on Monday if you like  - discounted too. 
 

Not so much the black chrome 50 Apo Cron 11811 though. 

[Robert Blanko]

Here's the solution to the initial question:

He decided to sell the M10R-BP to get a new M11-P Safari.

Even though he liked the BP glossy finish, he always felt that he could only use it with velvet gloves, as you would always see every micro scratch and every fingerprint.

The M11-P Safari is much better for daily use in said respect, he said.

[jakontil]

5 hours ago, Robert Blanko said:

Here's the solution to the initial question:

He decided to sell the M10R-BP to get a new M11-P Safari.

Even though he liked the BP glossy finish, he always felt that he could only use it with velvet gloves, as you would always see every micro scratch and every fingerprint.

The M11-P Safari is much better for daily use in said respect, he said.

Yeah may b the glossy finish isnt for everyone who has a faint heart.. i use it rigorously, i dont baby it but i dont abuse it, the finish still stands surprisingly

however, i like the safari color on every release.. 

[costa43]

A shout out also for the standard stealthy black M11-P as I stare at it next to me! 

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Edited May 25 by costa43

[RF’sDelight]

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[Lev55]

@costa43 which filter are you using? Looks great.

[costa43]

5 minutes ago, Lev55 said:

@costa43 which filter are you using? Looks great.

It’s a 39mm CPL filter from K&F. I use it quite often in harsh lighting and a nice bonus is it adds to the stealthy look!

[pgh]

I don’t have one, but if I did I would absolutely not trade it for any m11 iteration. Especially if my m10r hadn’t had any issues.

And if I had to trade I would take an m11p or d over a safari. But I still wouldn’t do that, not even if someone offered the m11 plus, say 3 grand in cash in the trade.