Smogg Posted February 25 Share #81 Posted February 25 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 minutes ago, Chris W said: It's just too much of a blizzard of buttons and knobs for me. The beauty of Hasselbad and Leica SL is the simple and clean industrial design. Not just looks, it helps my workflow. However yes, the autofocus is always the downside. Regarding Hasselblad, I agree, but it is a camera for slow shooting. And what then to choose for activities (not including sports and extreme speeds)? For activities, confident focus and fast switching of focus modes (need extra buttons for special focus modes) are important, this is sorely lacking in SL3. If the answer is Sony, then where and for what purposes to use SL3? Edited February 25 by Smogg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris W Posted February 25 Share #82 Posted February 25 100% agree on the focus deficiencies. It's just a shame that fast accurate focus has to come with a cluttered, unattractive (IMO) design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBoyadjian Posted February 25 Share #83 Posted February 25 SL3 is still better for images, S5II (SL3S) for Video. This is a good middle ground but FPS rates in 14bit are not impressive, Video iso range is a huge step down from the S5II. Think it is a good move on Panasonics part to not use the SL3 sensor, this offers something a little different. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 25 Share #84 Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Smogg said: If Panasonic's autofocus capabilities turn out to be on par with CaniSony's, then SL3/SL3-S sales will be at a standstill. It will be unclear why SL3/SL3-S is needed at all. It really depends on your own requirements. If you want all of the video features, the new Lumix is probably better for you than the SL3. On the other hand, if you want the highest resolution and/or a much calmer interface, the SL3 is your answer. The unstated part of your post is "why are "CaniSony" needed at all? L mount has the best lenses, competitive AF (class-leading for video, TBD for stills), the best hybrid video options, the widest range of bodies, and sells at similar prices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #85 Posted February 25 (edited) 23 hours ago, SrMi said: Is it much faster? SL3-S and S5 II can do 30 fps, while the new Lumix can do 40 fps (electronic shutter). For comparison, Z8 can do 120fps. The max fps number is often an indication of readout speed. The new Lumix seems to have about 30% faster readout speed than the SL3-S. That is something, but not that much different. It is IMX366, 7 years of difference to IMX410. Readout is over 35% faster with 44 vs 24Mpix.... Edited February 25 by pf4eva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #86 Posted February 25 (edited) 35 minutes ago, PeterBoyadjian said: SL3 is still better for images, S5II (SL3S) for Video. This is a good middle ground but FPS rates in 14bit are not impressive, Video iso range is a huge step down from the S5II. Think it is a good move on Panasonics part to not use the SL3 sensor, this offers something a little different. How is it better for pictures? New sensor has significantly faster readout = > faster AF and better ES. And significantly better in low light. Edited February 25 by pf4eva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #87 Posted February 25 Advertisement (gone after registration) In fact, we don't know yet whether it's better or worse. Conclusions are made after testing. It would be strange to take into account only the sensor resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #88 Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Smogg said: In fact, we don't know yet whether it's better or worse. Conclusions are made after testing. It would be strange to take into account only the sensor resolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_oyevhTc8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #89 Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, BernardC said: The unstated part of your post is "why are "CaniSony" needed at all? L mount has the best lenses, competitive AF (class-leading for video, TBD for stills), the best hybrid video options, the widest range of bodies, and sells at similar prices. Regarding zoom lenses, this is definitely not the case. There are different opinions regarding prime lenses as well. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #90 Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, pf4eva said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_oyevhTc8 I would like to see DR and noise tests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #91 Posted February 25 20 minutes ago, BernardC said: It really depends on your own requirements. If you want all of the video features, the new Lumix is probably better for you than the SL3. On the other hand, if you want the highest resolution and/or a much calmer interface, the SL3 is your answer. The unstated part of your post is "why are "CaniSony" needed at all? L mount has the best lenses, competitive AF (class-leading for video, TBD for stills), the best hybrid video options, the widest range of bodies, and sells at similar prices. Canon has plenty unique lenses not seen in L mount. Also AF on canon and sony is not even comparable to what L mount offers so far. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #92 Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Smogg said: I would like to see DR and noise tests Maybe watch the video first? It is pretty sufficient to get some idea about new sensor, pretty sure we'll see scientific DR tests soon as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 25 Share #93 Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Smogg said: Regarding zoom lenses, this is definitely not the case. There are different opinions regarding prime lenses as well. Every system has one or two showcase lenses, but Leica has more. The new Sigma 300-600 fills-in one of the gaps that you often hear about (almost nobody actually buys a 600/4.0, but it's undoubtedly an influence when choosing a system!). My main point is that the whole "this new camera blows another camera away!" is always a waste of time. I never click on those links on YouTube, and I doubt anybody who finds themselves in this forum will learn anything from them. Pick the one you like best. Your camera is unlikely to be the reason that you aren't happy with your photographic output. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 25 Share #94 Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, pf4eva said: Also AF on canon and sony is not even comparable to what L mount offers so far. Evidently you have first-hand experience of the Lumix S1Rii. Please share your impressions. Lumix already had the best video AF, and apparently their photo AF is now 1.6x faster than the one in the S5ii. Does this 1.6x number match your own impressions? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 25 Share #95 Posted February 25 18 minutes ago, pf4eva said: How is it better for pictures? New sensor has significantly faster readout = > faster AF and better ES. And significantly better in low light. A faster readout, especially only at 36% faster, may not mean relevantly quicker AF, and a rolling shutter will still be an issue until the readout speed is at least 1/100 sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 25 Share #96 Posted February 25 Just now, BernardC said: Evidently you have first-hand experience of the Lumix S1Rii. Please share your impressions. Lumix already had the best video AF, and apparently their photo AF is now 1.6x faster than the one in the S5ii. Does this 1.6x number match your own impressions? Why trust me? Just watch reviews available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #97 Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, BernardC said: Every system has one or two showcase lenses, but Leica has more. The new Sigma 300-600 fills-in one of the gaps that you often hear about (almost nobody actually buys a 600/4.0, but it's undoubtedly an influence when choosing a system!). My main point is that the whole "this new camera blows another camera away!" is always a waste of time. I never click on those links on YouTube, and I doubt anybody who finds themselves in this forum will learn anything from them. Pick the one you like best. Your camera is unlikely to be the reason that you aren't happy with your photographic output. Probably, the bitterness that my long-time favorite manufacturer has begun to lag further behind the market leaders speaks for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 25 Share #98 Posted February 25 I have ordered a camera and, probably use it for video. Looking at all the reviews, the S1rII does not look much better in AF than SL3/s. Still looses the subject in photos and video, and most of the improvements are in AFc, which I really use in photos. Non-stacked sensor should lead to better DR, the dual ISO is nice, and the Dual IBIS is nice. Rolling the shutter is still a challenge. the USB- iPhone Monitor is nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
o2mpx Posted February 25 Share #99 Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Smogg said: It's not that simple. Take me for example. I was a long-time Leica M user (M9, m240, m10, m10-r, m11) which covered 90 percent of my needs. However, the Leica M was not enough for me to cover all my needs, in particular, shooting my children's holidays, beach activities, etc. So I always had a secondary camera. I always wanted it to be a Leica too and tried the SL, SL3 at the time. However, I was disappointed with the autofocus capabilities and had to switch to Sony (I tried the Z7 and R5 too), although I am not crazy about the colors of the Sony. I also accidentally bought an X2D, because the M11 was constantly freezing and I had nothing to shoot with. Now it is hard to tear me away from the X2D because of the color (high resolution was not my goal). I believe that Panasonic, having a color school similar to Leica, can well become that auxiliary camera for various activities, provided that it has good autofocus (we are waiting for tests). I believe that besides me, there are many people who will be pushed to explore other systems by the troubles with M11 and the rather sluggish SL3. @Smogg took similar journey as you. Have M10-R, SL2(kept for M lenses), added X2D during migration away from SL lenses, added A7CR and X-H2 for lightweight carry. Not fond of Sony colors but files are more detailed than Fuji but the latter is the lightest carry driven by lighter APS-C lenses. High dynamic range resolution of landscapes when cropped with lightest weight carry is the goal as AF is yours. At crossroads, if the SL3 can get close to the X2D, then can simplify out of Sony and Fuji. How do you find the 60mp SL3 compared to the 100mp X2D, just in terms of resolution(understand colors are different)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 25 Share #100 Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, o2mpx said: @Smogg took similar journey as you. Have M10-R, SL2(kept for M lenses), added X2D during migration away from SL lenses, added A7CR and X-H2 for lightweight carry. Not fond of Sony colors but files are more detailed than Fuji but the latter is the lightest carry driven by lighter APS-C lenses. High dynamic range resolution of landscapes when cropped with lightest weight carry is the goal as AF is yours. At crossroads, if the SL3 can get close to the X2D, then can simplify out of Sony and Fuji. How do you find the 60mp SL3 compared to the 100mp X2D, just in terms of resolution(understand colors are different)? It's hard for me to answer this question, since sensor resolution is not that important for me. Any resolution of 40+ is fine for me. I really liked the pictures from the SL3, although a little less than from the X2D. It's just that the SL3 was of no use to me, since it essentially duplicated the functions of the X2D for me, although it was bought for something else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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