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2 minutes ago, 69xchange said:

MP*

In the sense that I thought if one of the five analog models was too much, the silver M-A would need to go… So now I am surprised.

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My theory based on no knowledge or evidence (so very reliable!) - there will be a 100 year silver Leica MP announced in May. I’m guessing there will be some kind of film Leica for the 100 years. 
 

You heard me make this up here first! 

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Spitball idea: If there is (no clue if there actually is) a need to thin out the palette of analog models, it makes sense to go to
- Silver M-A
- Black paint MP
- Some flavour(s) of M6

Motivation: 
- Offer silver, black, black paint options for analog shooters
- Offer w/ and wo/ meter
- The black M-A is the last black chrome camera in production and contradicts a bit their mission statement about black chrome

Offering five analog models in 2025 is pretty nice, even if internals are relatively similar.

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We've had these sorts of rumours from Leica Rumours before, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it's linked to an advert for B&H having some to sell. In the past a camera being unavailable was also seen as a camera being dropped when in reality it was simply because they are all built in batches and and at certain times you'd have one or other model all sold out and unable to order one because Leica hadn't got around to restocking. Leica don't send them out the door in dribs and drabs, all the dealers receive new stock at the same time and while dealers still have some to sell it's not much of an incentive for Leica to build even more of them to flood the market. 

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Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Still available on Leica online store.

Blimey, is it £5,000 for a film M nowadays? I can't say I'm totally surprised (inflation and all that) but it doesn't seem all that long ago that an MP was around £3,500. I don't remember the price being in-between but I suppose I haven't been paying Leica (especially the M side of things) much attention in recent years.  

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I don‘t know, what timeframe you might consider „not all that long ago“, but it was already at about 4,600€ for an MP in early 2021 (about 5,300$), in 2010 already at about 4990$ (I don‘t know the 2010 price in € or £)

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Mine cost £1,860 in Jan 2003, and according to the Bank England inflation calculator that's £3,334 in todays money. In the USA they were about $2,500 new in 2003 which I understand is about $4,300 today.

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2003 ist definetely long ago 😀
But you see, the MP was already in 2010 (7 years later) double the price, that was an average inflation of 10%/year, so the major price increase seem to have happened in the first years after the new MP was introduced, not today. Calculating the increase from 2010 (US 4990$) up to today 5995$, an increase of approx. 20% or 1,2%/year average inflation over those 14 years. I would assign this major increase basically directly after introduction to the major financial crisis Leica did go through in ~2007/2008.

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6 minutes ago, adan said:

Does that cover bright chrome only ( like the shutter ring on the black paint MP ) or does it also include the matt-silver and black chrome finishes as  used on the M-A?

If it was the EU, why did the introduce the new 11714 50mm Summilux in silver earlier this month; a black paint on brass version would have flown off the shelves.

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Ask an industrial chemist.

I don't think Leica per se does the parts-plating. It may be done by their tame metal-working subsidiary, https://www.weller-feinwerktechnik.de/en/content/home.html

...or other supplier.

In any event a 50% reduction is required, so cuts have to be made somewhere to introduce new uses.

May also explain why the M11 black version uses a non-black-chrome finish.

It is apparently expensive to refit a plating operation to use tri-valent chrome.

Tough times for the "Leicas as jewelry" crowd. 🥵

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