Leica Q3 or Fujifilm GFX 100RF

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8 hours ago, Chris W said:

'Not good' seems very similar to 'bad' in my book. Also the same person saying it is 'one of the worst' colour science.

I wonder if Leica is reading this as the poster wants to become a Leica collaborator.

Ok. Let’s be direct:

1. Yes, is bad if you want to work with it. If you like the color how it is, perfect, but if you want to apply a different color style you will have problems. This is how it is and is not subjective at all. I repeat: best colorist around the world says it, not just me. 
 

2. I am not an influencer or a youtuber. I am a photographer and I do not receive ANY money from Sony and I am not going to receive it from Leica if we collaborate. I have my job and I make my money from it. I only ask ONE condition when I start a collaboration: I will be ALWAYS honest with what I think. In example I gave talks for Sony and I said always that I did not like thw color of the A7R3 when I was using it. Later, I said why I love the colours of the A7RV and I demostrate it. Sony let me say everything without any problems. If Leica does not allow me to say the truth (I doubt it) it will be me who is not going to be interested in any collaboration. 
 

Said thay, I love my Leicas. I love the user experience but I am not a fanboy that think that they are perfect because there is nothing perfect in this life. 
 

 

[LocalHero1953]

5 minutes ago, Telemetric said:

Ok. Let’s be direct:

1. Yes, is bad if you want to work with it. If you like the color how it is, perfect, but if you want to apply a different color style you will have problems. This is how it is and is not subjective at all. I repeat: best colorist around the world says it, not just me. 
 

Indeed - let's be direct. I disagree.

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58 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Indeed - let's be direct. I disagree.

And you have all the right to disagree. I don’t pretend to convince no one. I am just exposing my point of view. That’s all. 
 

[algrove]

22 hours ago, Mr Perceptive said:

There was no IBIS in the launch GFX, the GFX50S - it came first with the original GFX100

Correct I meant to say first 100MP GFX camera.

[keithlaban.co.uk]

22 hours ago, Telemetric said:

Ok. Let’s be direct:

1. Yes, is bad if you want to work with it. If you like the color how it is, perfect, but if you want to apply a different color style you will have problems. This is how it is and is not subjective at all. I repeat: best colorist around the world says it, not just me. 
 

2. I am not an influencer or a youtuber. I am a photographer and I do not receive ANY money from Sony and I am not going to receive it from Leica if we collaborate. I have my job and I make my money from it. I only ask ONE condition when I start a collaboration: I will be ALWAYS honest with what I think. In example I gave talks for Sony and I said always that I did not like thw color of the A7R3 when I was using it. Later, I said why I love the colours of the A7RV and I demostrate it. Sony let me say everything without any problems. If Leica does not allow me to say the truth (I doubt it) it will be me who is not going to be interested in any collaboration. 
 

Said thay, I love my Leicas. I love the user experience but I am not a fanboy that think that they are perfect because there is nothing perfect in this life. 
 

 

Come on, how many GFX 100RF owners  do you think are going to be using their cameras for colour critical commercial gigs and handing over their files to colour techs?

Hell, I wouldn't have even considered using the Q3 or the GFX 100RF when I was producing files for fine art repro.

Man, get real!

[Jared]

Well, I agree with those who claim the Q3 and Q3 43 have messed up color science. I have yet to own a Leica digital with accurate colors. But, I don't find that problematic. I shoot exclusively raw files, so all I need to do is create a custom preset that "fixes" the colors I find are routinely messed up. Then, I have Lightroom Classic automatically apply that preset to any files imported from the camera. For every camera I own I apply a custom preset that is specific for that camera, not just Leica. It's the only way I know of to solve several problems. It lets me apply the best profile for a starting point on colors. It lets me apply a more appropriate input sharpening level (since Lightroom insists on higher default levels than I would want). It lets me make color mixer adjustments. Leica cameras may be the worst offenders in terms of inaccurate colors, but it's hardly difficult to fix the issue, and the fix is one-time so it doesn't add any difficulty to my routine workflow. If I shot JPG's I would probably feel differently, but I just don't.

As to the original question of GFX 100RF vs. Q3... Let's just say I purchased my Q3 43 after the release of the GFX 100RF. Meaning, I just got it a couple days ago. I traded in my 28mm Q3 on the 43. I'm sure the GFX 100RF is a great camera and I am sure Fuji will sell a ton of them, but I will be much happier at longer focal lengths. The best pictures I took with my Q3 28--or with my Q2 before it--were all cropped in. I'm happier with a longer focal length starting point. And I see the relatively small maximum aperture and lack of image stabilization for my use cases as being occasionally problematic. For others I'm sure that will be a non-issue. 

I get that we all have different requirements, though. Lots of Fuji owners have a lot of fun with the different film simulations. I own two Fuji cameras, and while I enjoyed playing with the simulations, I don't think I ever used any of them for more serious work. Maybe the Acros simulation? That's about it. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred I'd rather start with Adobe Standard and adjust from there. 

- Jared

[algrove]

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Anyone out there tried using C1 Pro versus LR Classic?

[LocalHero1953]

I tried C1 Pro, but didn't like the interface. It was a few years ago, so can't remember my exact reasons. I suspect if I'd started with C1 Pro instead of LR Classic back in 2011 or so I'd still be with C1.

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14 hours ago, keithlaban.co.uk said:

Come on, how many GFX 100RF owners  do you think are going to be using their cameras for colour critical commercial gigs and handing over their files to colour techs?

Hell, I wouldn't have even considered using the Q3 or the GFX 100RF when I was producing files for fine art repro.

Man, get real!

Hi!

I’m just saying that with my Leicas (M10-P and M11-P), it’ not easy to apply a personal color style. That’s all. From there, everyone is free to have their own opinion or do whatever they want, of course. I’m not trying to convince anyone here. 

[Smogg]

7 minutes ago, Telemetric said:

Hi!

I’m just saying that with my Leicas (M10-P and M11-P), it’ not easy to apply a personal color style. That’s all. From there, everyone is free to have their own opinion or do whatever they want, of course. I’m not trying to convince anyone here. 

The M11-P already comes with impeccable style built in. We call it magenta cast😂

[Phatcat]

8 minutes ago, Telemetric said:

Hi!

I’m just saying that with my Leicas (M10-P and M11-P), it’ not easy to apply a personal color style. That’s all. From there, everyone is free to have their own opinion or do whatever they want, of course. I’m not trying to convince anyone here. 

Any update on your experience? I feel like the aspect ratio and cropping dial/knob might be one of those functions that could become immensely popular and other camera companies will adapt their own version. Or gimmicky and people will say I told you so…….

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4 hours ago, Smogg said:

The M11-P already comes with impeccable style built in. We call it magenta cast😂

True.

I really think they have to improve the color. Well, one day I guess they will do it.

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4 hours ago, Phatcat said:

Any update on your experience? I feel like the aspect ratio and cropping dial/knob might be one of those functions that could become immensely popular and other camera companies will adapt their own version. Or gimmicky and people will say I told you so…….

Just yesterday I was processing some photos. I took a few in very low light conditions to see if the leaf shutter could partially compensate for the lack of IBIS, and I have to say it does. I have some shots taken at 1/8 sec with perfect focus. The dynamic range is also very good, it recovers shadows excellently. Overall, the camera is solid, and the colors are easy to work with (this is only the second time in my life I’ve processed Fuji files, so I’m not really used to them).

I also think the dial for changing the aspect ratio will be very well received. Non-4:3 images already show up with the crop in Lightroom.

All in all, I think it’s a good camera. I still need to use it more to find its “flaws.” If it were f/2.8, it would be amazing, but you can’t have it all. For now, I’ll stick with it for a while and see how it goes.

[hexx]

17 hours ago, algrove said:

Anyone out there tried using C1 Pro versus LR Classic?

Yes, I use only C1 Pro since around 2013. I like what I was getting from Leaf Aptus, M240 files and like what I’m getting from Q3 files. 
I don’t like subscriptions so this might be the last version of C1 Pro I’ll use as I have a feeling that they’ll be pushing for subscription model. 

Edited March 25 by hexx

[BobsFirstLeica]

2 hours ago, Telemetric said:

Just yesterday I was processing some photos. I took a few in very low light conditions to see if the leaf shutter could partially compensate for the lack of IBIS, and I have to say it does. I have some shots taken at 1/8 sec with perfect focus. The dynamic range is also very good, it recovers shadows excellently. Overall, the camera is solid, and the colors are easy to work with (this is only the second time in my life I’ve processed Fuji files, so I’m not really used to them).

I don’t doubt the cam can achieve perfect focus at 1/8 sec.  Assuming the image hand held, are you getting the full benefit of the 100mp sensor with no motion blur?  Absolutely flawless “non-tripod” technique would be necessary to do so.  I am used to stabilizing my arm on something solid, but I am not a perfect substitute for a tripod.  

[AaronMRamsey]

I have both a Q3 and a Gfx 100II. If the Gfx 100RF had ibis, or some kind of OIS, I might be tempted to sell my X100VI, but I would not get rid of either the Q3 or Gfx 100II. In my opinion, there is no better walk-around camera than the Q3. The small form factor, amazing ibis, beautiful lens, and exquisite IQ all make for a powerful tool-one that allows you to focus solely on the subject and forget about the device. The 100 RF seems to be a doorway for people to get into digital MF-but even then, and it were me, I'd be going for a Gfx 50S II or 100S II. With the Q3 I am not worried about shooting handheld at 1/25th of a second. With the RF, I'd be reaching for a tripod. That's the opposite of what I'd be looking for in a fixed lens compact camera.

If I got another camera, I'd sell my X100VI and buy the Q3 43.

[LocalHero1953]

In the spirit of pure pedantry, I should point out that the Q models do not have IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation = moving the sensor), but OIS (Optical Image Stabilisation = moving a lens element). Hard-core pedants could argue that since the Q has a fixed lens then any IS is by definition IB, but I wouldn't go to that extreme.

The original SL had no IBIS, but the first two SL lenses (24-90, 90-280) both had OIS. IBIS was introduced with the SL2.

[JNK100]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

In the spirit of pure pedantry, I should point out that the Q models do not have IBIS (In Body Image Stabilisation = moving the sensor), but OIS (Optical Image Stabilisation = moving a lens element). Hard-core pedants could argue that since the Q has a fixed lens then any IS is by definition IB, but I wouldn't go to that extreme.

The original SL had no IBIS, but the first two SL lenses (24-90, 90-280) both had OIS. IBIS was introduced with the SL2.

You beat me to it 😂The Q3 is a wonderful camera.

[Smogg]

Q3/Q3 43 is a great camera, judging solely by the quality of the photos. However, the ergonomics, design and usability are somewhat specific and will not suit everyone. I always have the feeling that Q3 wants to change my habits, this camera is a little different from other cameras, I always experience minor inconveniences. In addition, in appearance, due to the unusual proportions, it reminds me of a pregnant woman in about 8 months 😂

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica Q

[Le Chef]

I find the UI of all Fuji cameras hard to like. Buttons everywhere like the plague. Every possible menu option almost to “which side does sir favour” and beyond. I much prefer the streamlined approach that Leica takes, using profiles for my preferred shooting approaches.

That way I can focus on taking photographs rather than fiddling and faffing about with options.