ZHNL Posted August 30 Share #201 Posted August 30 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Pieter12 said: What we really need is an adapter to use S lenses on the Hasselblad... Yep, if it has mechanical shutter. I might get one already. Not only S glass, adapter FF glass is fun including a few M glasses. Many not necessarily cover the sensor but sure very interesting to shoot at different format ratio such as 33X33 and simulated almost 1 stop faster DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ben446 Posted August 31 Share #202 Posted August 31 (edited) I was thinking S lenses adapted to the X cameras utilizing the leaf shutter might be the end of the S4. Already a long shot that Leica is going to be able to compete with DJI. You would have to imagine that video will eventually be coming to the X. Unless of course if Leica buys Arri... Edited August 31 by ben446 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted August 31 Share #203 Posted August 31 Video is even harder to compete. It can only be the cherry on the top thing. I see S issue is keep delaying and missing market opportunity. At time of X1d, market position is a given. S had lots of breath room for price and feature or lack of it. now both GFX and X are mutual on performance and price, and with S’s reputation and momentum past decade, I don’t really see a business case anymore unless it can offer similar price/ feature package which never happen. I hope they have something special under their sleeve but it has to be developed years back for it is ready now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 31 Share #204 Posted August 31 3 hours ago, ZHNL said: Video is even harder to compete. It can only be the cherry on the top thing. I see S issue is keep delaying and missing market opportunity. At time of X1d, market position is a given. S had lots of breath room for price and feature or lack of it. now both GFX and X are mutual on performance and price, and with S’s reputation and momentum past decade, I don’t really see a business case anymore unless it can offer similar price/ feature package which never happen. I hope they have something special under their sleeve but it has to be developed years back for it is ready now. Regardless the low price and high MP，after bought GFX100s and returned it, I end up choosing S3. Many choose SLx. So I think there are still a lot to be desired from GFX and X2D. I am very happy with S3. I can waitLeica to do the right thing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted August 31 Share #205 Posted August 31 I don't like Fuji GUI, and far from convinced on the X2D file quality/malleability compared to my S(007)s... john 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted August 31 Share #206 Posted August 31 3 hours ago, Einst_Stein said: Regardless the low price and high MP，after bought GFX100s and returned it, I end up choosing S3. Many choose SLx. So I think there are still a lot to be desired from GFX and X2D. I am very happy with S3. I can waitLeica to do the right thing. Enjoy the S3. That is all that matters. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted August 31 Share #207 Posted August 31 Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 minutes ago, John McMaster said: I don't like Fuji GUI, and far from convinced on the X2D file quality/malleability compared to my S(007)s... john Understand the GUI part. Life is full of trade off. X2D and GFX 100M files are incredible though, I would say it is even better than 007 in term of DR though all good enough for me long ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted September 1 Share #208 Posted September 1 Besides Leica S3, I also have Hasselblad CF39 digital back (use with Contax 645). I like the color rendering from Hasselblad Phocus. It is in some way more preferred to Leica@Lghitroom. It's hard to choose between the two. I have no experience with Hasselblad X2D. Fujifilm GFX 100S @lightroom is not to my taste at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 1 Share #209 Posted September 1 (edited) 10 hours ago, ZHNL said: now both GFX and X are mutual on performance and price, and with S’s reputation and momentum past decade, I don’t really see a business case anymore unless it can offer similar price/ feature package which never happen. the people who love the S "interface" and rendering of its lenses will pay whatever for the S series, they might bitch and complain about the price compared to X2D/GFX etc but they're getting that look from the lenses. and if they're totally used to leica or hasselblad colors, they will never even learn how to use/manipulate fuji GFx files properly. the problem these days it people compare completely different systems [interface, sensor size, look, rendering, lens family], only because the price is similar which is ridiculous eg the SL3/GFX100 or X2D thread and even this one. some people will argue forever that sensor size doesn't matter, its almost the same megapixel some people will argue forever that one doesnt need high mp for huge billboards, maybe in their region.. but in far east Asia,Ive seen 60ft billboards at street level that one can stand right next to and the quality is incredible, many clients demand super high quality prints some people will argue forever and create multiple threads that one doesnt need a high megapixel large sensor camera, then later reveal they have an S3 to each his own Edited September 1 by frame-it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted September 1 Share #210 Posted September 1 11 minutes ago, frame-it said: the people who love the S "interface" and rendering of its lenses will pay whatever for the S series, they might bitch and complain about the price compared to X2D/GFX etc but they're getting that look from the lenses. and if they're totally used to leica or hasselblad colors, they will never even learn how to use/manipulate fuji GFx files properly. the problem these days it people compare completely different systems [interface, sensor size, look, rendering, lens family], only because the price is similar which is ridiculous eg the SL3/GFX100 or X2D thread and even this one. some people will argue forever that sensor size doesn't matter, its almost the same megapixel some people will argue forever that one doesnt need high mp for huge billboards, maybe in their region.. but in far east Asia,Ive seen 60ft billboards at street level that one can stand right next to and the quality is incredible, many clients demand super high quality prints some people will argue forever and create multiple threads that one doesnt need a high megapixel large sensor camera, then later reveal they have an S3 to each his own Problem is, there aren't enough of "those people" out there to constitute a viable market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 1 Share #211 Posted September 1 8 minutes ago, Pieter12 said: Problem is, there aren't enough of "those people" out there to constitute a viable market. that's why i said a Long long time ago the future S will be a mutated SL with a larger sensor, but i was ridiculed. and by the way a larger SL looks similar to an X2D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted September 1 Share #212 Posted September 1 16 hours ago, frame-it said: the people who love the S "interface" and rendering of its lenses will pay whatever for the S series, they might bitch and complain about the price compared to X2D/GFX etc but they're getting that look from the lenses. and if they're totally used to leica or hasselblad colors, they will never even learn how to use/manipulate fuji GFx files properly. For sure, by lowering its price, Hasselblad actually will lose some premium customer bases (there are always "richer" people want to have the "best") and leave the high end void for Leica S to fill No question about that. The question is: is this a good thing for Leica or S lovers? I mean hypothetically Leica was forced to enter nichier market by selling less units but higher price point to keep S relevant due to stiff competition from Fuji and Hasselblad. I can't justify 15000 body Sx myself no matter how good it is. Finger crossed for 2026. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted September 1 Share #213 Posted September 1 Massive quantity mass production used to mean less quality compared to small quantity special cared production, but it is no longer true. The “hand made Leica quality” may not hold for long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted September 1 Share #214 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, ZHNL said: For sure, by lowering its price, Hasselblad actually will lose some premium customer bases (there are always "richer" people want to have the "best") and leave the high end void for Leica S to fill No question about that. The question is: is this a good thing for Leica or S lovers? I mean hypothetically Leica was forced to enter nichier market by selling less units but higher price point to keep S relevant due to stiff competition from Fuji and Hasselblad. I can't justify 15000 body Sx myself no matter how good it is. Finger crossed for 2026. Yes Hasselblad is a prestige product bought by those seeking to impress. But the bulk of their customers are pros who earn a living from photography and appreciate the fact that prices can be lowered. Notice Hasselblad has not lowered any lens or accessory prices, no one is selling any at a discount. Leica takes advantage of the status-seekers with special editions that do nothing for the pros, but get the orthodontists all worked up. 1 hour ago, Einst_Stein said: Massive quantity mass production used to mean less quality compared to small quantity special cared production, but it is no longer true. The “hand made Leica quality” may not hold for long. Not sure Leicas are hand made like they used to be, not since the M5. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted September 2 Share #215 Posted September 2 14 hours ago, Pieter12 said: Not sure Leicas are hand made like they used to be, not since the M5. They are assembled by hand. I saw them being hand made in Porto last year e.g, the white etc lettering on the lenses is actually painted on by hand. Digital cameras do, of course, include a lot of parts that are made outside, such as sensors and boards, but the assembly is done by hand. I have been around both the Porto and Wetzlar factories and have seen this. Photography by visitors is not allowed in the assembly areas. William 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted September 2 Share #216 Posted September 2 5 hours ago, willeica said: They are assembled by hand. I saw them being hand made in Porto last year e.g, the white etc lettering on the lenses is actually painted on by hand. Digital cameras do, of course, include a lot of parts that are made outside, such as sensors and boards, but the assembly is done by hand. I have been around both the Porto and Wetzlar factories and have seen this. Photography by visitors is not allowed in the assembly areas. William They may be assembled by hand, but not fitted by hand like they used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted September 2 Share #217 Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Pieter12 said: They may be assembled by hand, but not fitted by hand like they used to be. Can you explain the difference between 'assembled' and 'fitted' in this context? William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted September 2 Share #218 Posted September 2 27 minutes ago, willeica said: Can you explain the difference between 'assembled' and 'fitted' in this context? William Sure, parts are matched, fitted and adjusted on an individual basis as the camera is assembled, rather than the current correct or replace assembly process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted September 2 Share #219 Posted September 2 1 minute ago, Pieter12 said: Sure, parts are matched, fitted and adjusted on an individual basis as the camera is assembled, rather than the current correct or replace assembly process. As someone with a large collection of vintage Leicas, I can vouch for the signs of adjusted parts in older cameras. Surely with technology advances, tolerances have improved and the need for such individual fitting no longer exists? Fitting by hand does not always guarantee a better product these days. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter12 Posted September 2 Share #220 Posted September 2 I did not think this was a discussion about quality but process. Both assembly practices have their advantages and disadvantages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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