MinRas Posted February 22 Share #21 Posted February 22 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, Flyer said: Can you establish the age via the serial number? What do you mean by got a decent serial number. Cheers Hi, there is light hope that maybe different - newest batch.... or something like this, but this part not a major thing just for self brain cockroaches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JNK100 Posted February 22 Share #22 Posted February 22 12 hours ago, Flyer said: Can you establish the age via the serial number? What do you mean by got a decent serial number. Cheers There is some sort of correlation between serial numbers and date of manufacture. I do, however understand that matches of serial numbers are sometimes allocated randomly. £5k for an M11 with a warranty is a good deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPettigrew Posted February 22 Share #23 Posted February 22 There’s a reason some ‘like new’ M11s are floating around at a tempting discount. Think about why people are offloading them before jumping in. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 22 Share #24 Posted February 22 5 hours ago, LPettigrew said: There’s a reason some ‘like new’ M11s are floating around at a tempting discount. What reason do you have in mind, if i may ask? My M11 is from May 2022 (5594***). It works perfectly with the current 2.2.1 firmware. Do you think earlier (or later?) bodies might have problems? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted February 22 Share #25 Posted February 22 2 hours ago, lct said: What reason do you have in mind, if i may ask? My M11 is from May 2022 (5594***). It works perfectly with the current 2.2.1 firmware. Do you think earlier (or later?) bodies might have problems? I agree. No issues at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDog Posted February 23 Share #26 Posted February 23 On 2/21/2025 at 10:11 PM, Flyer said: Can you establish the age via the serial number? What do you mean by got a decent serial number. Cheers I bought ‘used’ like new, went for the highest serial number, when I received, manufacture date was December 23, I’m happy. It also never had last couple of firmware updates installed which I was also happy about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 23 Share #27 Posted February 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) On 2/22/2025 at 11:51 AM, LPettigrew said: There’s a reason some ‘like new’ M11s are floating around at a tempting discount. Think about why people are offloading them before jumping in. I’ve got three, I’m using them plenty. All are like new. At some point I may want to turn one of them into something else. That sale would not be due to any issue at all. You’ve got 14 days to send it back if there’s an issue and a warranty of 6 months. With the latest firmware these cameras are excellent. I also think we are getting to the stage where some people are getting ready for an M12 or M-EVF. Additionally there is quite a strand of influencer “Why I’ve Upgraded to Leica” slash “Why I’ve sold all my Leica gear” churn where people are encouraged to by an M and then realise it’s a damn sight easier using something with auto everything. I love these cameras but they are not for everyone or everything! Edited February 23 by Derbyshire Man 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPettigrew Posted February 23 Share #28 Posted February 23 On 2/22/2025 at 5:39 PM, lct said: What reason do you have in mind, if i may ask? My M11 is from May 2022 (5594***). It works perfectly with the current 2.2.1 firmware. Do you think earlier (or later?) bodies might have problems? 21 hours ago, JNK100 said: I agree. No issues at all. Glad to hear yours are problem-free. But tell me—are either of you putting your M11 up for sale at a tempting discount? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted February 23 Share #29 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, LPettigrew said: Glad to hear yours are problem-free. But tell me—are either of you putting your M11 up for sale at a tempting discount? No, but if I did it wouldn't mean I had issues with it. Most digital cameras will lose value unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 23 Share #30 Posted February 23 Supply and demand. If more people are offloading for any reason (rumoured new units/fancy trying an X2D might do it for me) then prices will be keener. Also we are now quite a long way in and the pool of cameras is now quite large. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted February 23 Share #31 Posted February 23 when the m12 comes (in a few weeks?) the prices will drop due to significant trade-in volumes I expect. 5K for a used one will not be bad. At least your money will not freeze in the bank account 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 23 Share #32 Posted February 23 4 hours ago, LPettigrew said: [...] are either of you putting your M11 up for sale at a tempting discount? You mean a tempting mark-up, i guess If i were to sell my M11, it would be to buy an M12, so i would not expect any discount sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25 Share #33 Posted February 25 I've just bought an "As New" M11 from MPB for £5K. The camera is in mint condition, came with all paperwork and accessories, and looks like it's never been used. The camera is late Nov 2022 still running 2.0.2 FW so I think it's probably been sitting in its box for a long time. Everything seems OK and the range finder is focussing at infinity perfectly The MPB price is well below any other retailers that I can find so, fingers crossed, I think I got a good deal. As has been mentioned, they have a few for sale. Note that you can see the serial numbers on the hot shoe plate in the MPB photos. I've bought and sold quite a bit of kit from MPB and their buy and sell prices are usually (but not always) the best that I can find. Selling is very easy and after free DPD posting I usually get paid in two or three days. A few times they have increased the payment to me after reviewing the items. I have no connection with MPB so this isn't an advert, and I appreciate that other people's experience may not have been so positive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinRas Posted February 25 Share #34 Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Corius said: I've just bought an "As New" M11 from MPB for £5K. The camera is in mint condition, came with all paperwork and accessories, and looks like it's never been used. The camera is late Nov 2022 still running 2.0.2 FW so I think it's probably been sitting in its box for a long time. Everything seems OK and the range finder is focussing at infinity perfectly The MPB price is well below any other retailers that I can find so, fingers crossed, I think I got a good deal. As has been mentioned, they have a few for sale. Note that you can see the serial numbers on the hot shoe plate in the MPB photos. I've bought and sold quite a bit of kit from MPB and their buy and sell prices are usually (but not always) the best that I can find. Selling is very easy and after free DPD posting I usually get paid in two or three days. A few times they have increased the payment to me after reviewing the items. I have no connection with MPB so this isn't an advert, and I appreciate that other people's experience may not have been so positive Same experience with MPB there with my kits trade in process, now with M11-P from them and everything OK. They communicating well no issues at all in any process where it was with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 25 Share #35 Posted February 25 From the ambiguous title my mind thought it mean less than 5K US$ LOL! Even I might take the plunge on an M11 for that! I've bought from MPB and KEH and had very few issues and those were always sorted quickly with no hassle. Never bought a Leica digital body from other than an authorised Leica dealer though, despite that KEH is (or at least was) one. I found the second-hand prices on digitals at the smaller shops was competitive. My M8, M9 and one M240 were ex-demo, and my other M240 was Leica Pre-Owned-Certified. All with some iteration of factory warranty. Bought Canon and Sony digitals from KEH/MPB though, but we're talking <$1K cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velo-city Posted February 26 Share #36 Posted February 26 (edited) No idea why anyone would sell with MPB. I think they offered about 2.5k for mine when I checked before Christmas - probably even less now. Honestly you might as well just sell it privately or give it to a friend. All those bodies on there under 5k must have been paid peanuts. For that reason I wouldn’t buy from MPB personally - just because I think they rip off photographers with what they pay for gear. So many better companies to support. Glad I sold mine before the rush although the prices were already coming down and I did lose a little bit. Honestly the M11 has a pretty bad rep too. Not unjustified IMO. The M10-R goes for more now if you can find one. I feel a sense of relief not owning one any more. But everyone should try one if they’re interested and have the means - that way you can make your mind up from personal experience which is the only way of course. I’ll certainly consider trying an M12 depending on the updates and design of that model and how many of my grievances are dealt with!! Actually, thinking about it, no, I probably wouldn’t. Edited February 26 by Velo-city Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinRas Posted February 26 Share #37 Posted February 26 Hi, There few groups of people - one who is working professionally for the money with their camera gear I and calculating how many sessions they must do to cover their spendings and never care about value in year or two or other. Another group hobbyist where buying cameras for them self depends on their affordability and this part don't care because spending for process or emotion and that means money where spent don't exist and never was and third group with overestimated mind about gear, looking for "best" value, or payback maybe quality, or on GAS - nobody knows where struggling on something like "how much I will loose after period of time" but not process or result this gear can provide to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 26 Share #38 Posted February 26 There are very few cases where shooting professionally with Leica is the best financial decision. They are an almost entirely emotional choice. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 26 Share #39 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, MinRas said: Hi, There few groups of people - one who is working professionally for the money with their camera gear I and calculating how many sessions they must do to cover their spendings and never care about value in year or two or other. Another group hobbyist where buying cameras for them self depends on their affordability and this part don't care because spending for process or emotion and that means money where spent don't exist and never was and third group with overestimated mind about gear, looking for "best" value, or payback maybe quality, or on GAS - nobody knows where struggling on something like "how much I will loose after period of time" but not process or result this gear can provide to them. Ha! I think you have this all backwards. Pros typically need to hang onto their gear much longer than the typical well heeled amateur who gets bored and wants the next shiny object that comes along every six months to a year because they think it will somehow magically make their photographs 'better.' Pros just don't get paid enough to be swapping out gear all the time. Believe me, we don't, even the best ones. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velo-city Posted February 27 Share #40 Posted February 27 (edited) Looks like Wex have one for closer to £4k too if anyone was reading this and wanting to try one. That’s actually a more reasonable price tag (4-5k) for an M11 body IMO, including new. Edited February 27 by Velo-city Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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