EVF M rumoured

[pgk]

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2 minutes ago, NightPix said:

Could the EVF-M be a way to keep us old guys with a cabinet full of M-lenses in the game as age takes its toll on our eyes?

I have already decided that when my eyes cannot use a specific type of camera then I will sell up that type and move on (and that includes my Leica Ms and their lenses). The 'best' way to focus using EVF and manual focus lenses is to magnify the appropriate part of the image and assess the point of focus. Even this will need some degree of visual viability though, and aged eyes may not be that good. And often its not really an effective option. So at some point I will revert to an autofocus system, but hopefully this is many years away. Trying to overcome visual aging is about using appropriate aids (my father-in-law was a consultant opthalmologist and believed in helping eyes as much as possible).

[Smogg]

When shooting with the LCD or Visoflex, the M11 experiences significant lag (250-300ms). For still scenes, this isn't a problem. But how Leica plans to eliminate this lag in the EV1, while maintaining the M11's architecture, so that it can capture moving subjects is a mystery to me.

And if this lag can be eliminated through software, then why isn’t there a corresponding firmware for M11 yet?

[Jeff S]

10 minutes ago, pgk said:

 (my father-in-law was a consultant opthalmologist (sic) and believed in helping eyes as much as possible).

Tricky spelling.

For me, it’s less about aging eyes than (benign) trembling hands.  I will eventually sell my M bodies and stick with those, like my SL2, with IBIS (and/or compatible OIS). I doubt the M will incorporate this before the next generation, if at all.

[algrove]

33 minutes ago, Smogg said:

When shooting with the LCD or Visoflex, the M11 experiences significant lag (250-300ms). For still scenes, this isn't a problem. But how Leica plans to eliminate this lag in the EV1, while maintaining the M11's architecture, so that it can capture moving subjects is a mystery to me.

And if this lag can be eliminated through software, then why isn’t there a corresponding firmware for M11 yet?

Because this new camera has not yet been released and probably it will take first place for FW updates.

[algrove]

27 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Tricky spelling.

For me, it’s less about aging eyes than (benign) trembling hands.  I will eventually sell my M bodies and stick with those, like my SL2, with IBIS (and/or compatible OIS). I doubt the M will incorporate this before the next generation, if at all.

I have to say the new X2Dii has changed my opinion about how helpful IBIS can be for me. It has changed my photographic world even more so than using an SL body.

[gbealnz]

31 minutes ago, algrove said:

I have to say the new X2Dii has changed my opinion about how helpful IBIS can be for me. It has changed my photographic world even more so than using an SL body.

I agree, not with the X2Dii, but the X2D that I have, IBIS is stunning. I even tried it in my SL2, and was amazed.

[Jeff S]

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I may rent one, but more out of curiosity, as SL2 remains sufficient for my handheld needs. Lack of a robust US dealer and service network gives me pause regarding Hasselblad.

[algrove]

4 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

I may rent one, but more out of curiosity, as SL2 remains sufficient for my handheld needs. Lack of a robust US dealer and service network gives me pause regarding Hasselblad.

One can call Hasselblad CS anytime and they help and are knowledgeable about current and past products. So B&H, Adorama and Glaszrs are not robust dealers, just to mention a few?

[Jeff S]

5 minutes ago, algrove said:

One can call Hasselblad CS anytime and they help and are knowledgeable about current and past products. So B&H, Adorama and Glaszrs are not robust dealers, just to mention a few?

Key word “robust.” None I can walk into within easy commute, as with at least 3 Leica dealers, and many others with which I have good relationship. 

[algrove]

13 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Key word “robust.” None I can walk into within easy commute, as with at least 3 Leica dealers, and many others with which I have good relationship. 

One has to. build relationships, next door or not. The best relationships I have are not within 1000 miles of me.

[Jeff S]

6 minutes ago, algrove said:

One has to. build relationships, next door or not. The best relationships I have are not within 1000 miles of me.

Ya think? As have I, along with others close by.  I’ve outlasted remote relationships with at least half dozen long time Leica dealers who have retired, or died, since the 70’s, and still maintain many others, coast to coast.  Hasselblad specialists are currently few and far between compared to Leica, my only point.

[DadDadDaddyo]

I've been really fortunate with the care that these aging eyes of mine have had access to. 

Cataract surgery, both eyes, a few years ago. Then, when I noticed "something" about my left eye I mentioned it to my eye doctor. I said it felt, for lack of a better word, as if the "impedance" had crept up in it: not blurry per se, but "something". 

Doc said, "Ah! I'll bet I know what that is..." He put me on the slit light gear, looked at my right eye with the loupe, and then my left.... "Yup," he said. 

And then I learned a new term, "posterior capsule opacification," or, PCO. They had me try to read an eye chart under glare conditions and I couldn't even make out the entire top line with my left eye, while with my right eye I could.  

The explanation, as understood by this somewhat technically inclined but non-medically-trained retired guy: the rear half of the capsule that originally held the born-with lens remains in place following cataract lens replacement. Sometimes, that remaining part of the capsule starts developing cell growth on its surface in particular patterns, behind the new man-made lens. It's an occasional complication following lens replacement. The result can be seen with the slit light. 

The treatment is a procedure using a YAG laser to make a hole in the rear capsule so the light can pass through the lens and reach the retina without being scattered by that clouded rear capsule. 

I had the procedure last week. Took about 30 seconds. Immediate improvement, and now, several days later, both eyes feel the same once again. 

Anyway, I'm using the rangefinder easily these days. For my case, the cataract lens replacement surgery was a huge and successful corrective step. That "something" I was sensing in my left eye was the only question, and now it appears to have been resolved. 

I'm prepared to move to autofocus if and when it becomes necessary. But for now, I'll keep merrily using my ancient rangefinder technology, employing the excellent man-made lenses in my ancient eyeballs. 

Plus, germaine to the discussion, I've always got the Visoflex 2 for when I want it (which is sometimes) and I'm still holding out for a side-outcome from the current product development, that is, the possibility of a Visoflex 3.

Edited October 22 by DadDadDaddyo

[NightPix]

Glad to hear it turned out well for you - gotta love modern medicine. My eyes are not so good (long story) but I intend to take photos (even blurry ones) until they pry the camera from my cold dead hands. RF is tough for me these days, so if a EVF-M materializes, I’ll probably give it a shot. 

Edited October 22 by NightPix

[adan]

5 hours ago, Smogg said:

When shooting with the LCD or Visoflex, the M11 experiences significant lag (250-300ms). For still scenes, this isn't a problem. But how Leica plans to eliminate this lag in the EV1, while maintaining the M11's architecture, so that it can capture moving subjects is a mystery to me.

And if this lag can be eliminated through software, then why isn’t there a corresponding firmware for M11 yet?

It is technically possible to overcome EVF (or other) lag these days.

It is called pre-release capture, or pre-release recording, or similar.

https://photographylife.com/pre-release-capture-explained

In effect an automated version of "machine-gunning" - starting even before you fully press the shutter button.

With some cameras, only works with .jpgs and/or smaller sensors (less data to deal with). But Sony's Alpha 9 can do it with RAW images, at 24x36 area and 24Mpixel images, over 1 second.

The fact that the M11 already has substantial internal storage capacity means it would not be all that long a walk for Leica to adapt it for such use. Just needs the right sensor and firmware.

Cartier-Bresson, eat your heart out!

Edited October 22 by adan

[Smogg]

2 hours ago, adan said:

It is technically possible to overcome EVF (or other) lag these days.

It is called pre-release capture, or pre-release recording, or similar.

https://photographylife.com/pre-release-capture-explained

In effect an automated version of "machine-gunning" - starting even before you fully press the shutter button.

With some cameras, only works with .jpgs and/or smaller sensors (less data to deal with). But Sony's Alpha 9 can do it with RAW images, at 24x36 area and 24Mpixel images, over 1 second.

The fact that the M11 already has substantial internal storage capacity means it would not be all that long a walk for Leica to adapt it for such use. Just needs the right sensor and firmware.

Cartier-Bresson, eat your heart out!

Pre-capture is only possible with an electronic shutter on fast sensors. The M11's sensor isn't one of those.

[pop]

4 hours ago, adan said:

Just needs the right sensor and firmware.

... and some larger capacity batteries.

[LocalHero1953]

Precapture also requires you to be pointing the camera in the right direction........

[andi5385]

https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/21/leica-m-ev1-camera-not-coming-to-the-us-this-week.aspx/

[LocalHero1953]

2 minutes ago, andi5385 said:

https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/21/leica-m-ev1-camera-not-coming-to-the-us-this-week.aspx/

He gets all his info from this forum anyway, so nothing new here.

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[rramesh]

12 hours ago, Smogg said:

When shooting with the LCD or Visoflex, the M11 experiences significant lag (250-300ms). For still scenes, this isn't a problem. But how Leica plans to eliminate this lag in the EV1, while maintaining the M11's architecture, so that it can capture moving subjects is a mystery to me.

And if this lag can be eliminated through software, then why isn’t there a corresponding firmware for M11 yet?

Maybe the camera uses the sensor from the Q3 and Maestro IV? and possibly the same EVF. After all the Q3 is a great EVF camera.