_leicaguru Posted February 6 Share #21 Posted February 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, JimmyCheng said: I had the exact same issue the other day with my M11 and I posted here. Most ppl thought it was the SD card. But I am still not too sure as the SD card now works perfectly still on my other cameras. If you want more detail you can refer to my post. But in short, it happend with the update to the latest firmware, and I am using SD card only. the never ending saga of the M11. Getting one, especially without an LCD screen, is a big mistake. Just my opinion. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JimmyCheng Posted February 6 Share #22 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, _leicaguru said: the never ending saga of the M11. Getting one, especially without an LCD screen, is a big mistake. Just my opinion. totally agree, it's so unreliable that sometimes it makes you question your own sanity lol. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted February 6 Share #23 Posted February 6 But when not buggy, it is a great camera. I love the extreme battery life and never having to worry about scratching or cracking the LCD. Plus, not having a knob on the left side of the top plate makes the camera design that much more clean. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_leicaguru Posted February 6 Share #24 Posted February 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, JimmyCheng said: totally agree, it's so unreliable that sometimes it makes you question your own sanity lol. So hang on. Your M11 AND brand new M11D failed and are both out of commission? I'm adding you on Instagram if you're keen to chat once in a while outside of this website. Edited February 6 by _leicaguru 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahesh Posted February 6 Share #25 Posted February 6 23 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said: I suppose it depends on your definition of gimmick; here's one something that is not serious or of real value that is used to attract people's attention or interest temporarily, especially to make them buy something: I don't think that fits at all. The whole M range is about driving a way of working and interacting with the camera, the M11D is simply a variation on that. And my final point is that on the latest beta version of the software the camera doesn't seem buggy at all, no point in making forward looking decisions on what was in the past. It is a gimmick because it erodes the value when images are not saved and you cannot even see at that instance when that issue occurs. i.e. your precious images/memories are lost. Hence, it perfectly fits your definition of not having real value, in fact removing any value! I wouldn't have called it a gimmick, if there was no issue in saving images. You might be lucky with perhaps majority others that it does not seem buggy to you. However, I have seen enough posts here from people who actually own it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summicron75 Posted February 7 Author Share #26 Posted February 7 I have asked for a refund or replacement. Will update. I can´t help feeling that with the camera set to save to both internal and SD storage, single shot mode in use and a Leica approved SD card I shouldn´t feel that this is somehow user error. This camera should be reliable and trustworthy and more than capable of using for a critical shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 7 Share #27 Posted February 7 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, summicron75 said: I have asked for a refund or replacement. Will update. I can´t help feeling that with the camera set to save to both internal and SD storage, single shot mode in use and a Leica approved SD card I shouldn´t feel that this is somehow user error. This camera should be reliable and trustworthy and more than capable of using for a critical shoot. It's clearly not user error! The question is whether it is hardware or firmware based. In an earlier stage of firmware development there was a spell where crashes lost the very occasional image without full failure and freezing (which also typically lost the image) but not seen I think with this with current firmware version. It seems currently there are two of you with similar problems and then @setuporg who had a total internal memory failure and dead camera. Personally, I think what you are describing does not sound like a firmware problem but a camera problem, obviously electronics can fail and when they do it's typically very early or late. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summicron75 Posted February 11 Author Share #28 Posted February 11 To their credit, Leica took the camera back refunded me what I paid for it (I bought it week of release). Think I will wait until the M12 is here, thoroughly tested and vetted, and cross my fingers that they have resolved their quality control issues. The 11-D was my fifth M11 variant that had problems. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted February 11 Share #29 Posted February 11 (edited) You've more faith than me. Not sure I understand the logic of 'camera that has been released for several years which may have had problems will be replaced by brand new camera which will be miraculously free of them'. I think you might be waiting quite some time! DOI: I have M11P, M11M and M11D and have had for quite a long time zero/negligible issues. Edited February 11 by Derbyshire Man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted February 11 Share #30 Posted February 11 This is insane. How are all the M11s so bad? How did Leica manage to screw this up so badly? Seems like the M10 series is peak digital M. I’m so happy I never upgraded. I don’t really trust this company going forward anymore. Especially for the insane prices they are asking for everything these days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted February 11 Share #31 Posted February 11 37 minutes ago, sebben said: How are all the M11s so bad? Simple answer - they are not. I would not base any wild conclusions of the relatively small number (of the total) of M11 owners that engage here. Unless you have facts about total cameras sold / defects reported I would avoid 'all'. One happy M11 owner. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted February 11 Share #32 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, pedaes said: Simple answer - they are not. I would not base any wild conclusions of the relatively small number (of the total) of M11 owners that engage here. Unless you have facts about total cameras sold / defects reported I would avoid 'all'. One happy M11 owner. Perhaps. But this seems to be much more than just a few reports… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted February 11 Share #33 Posted February 11 (edited) 30 minutes ago, sebben said: Perhaps. But this seems to be much more than just a few reports… I've gone through four M11s... Edited February 11 by gotium 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted February 11 Share #34 Posted February 11 vor 17 Minuten schrieb gotium: I've gone through four M11s... Did you use these with the same sd-card? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted February 12 Share #35 Posted February 12 It is so interesting to listen to people here talk about how bad the idea of an M11-D (or M10-D, or MD 262) is because one cannot do mission critical work, or because one simply cannot see the problems. I wonder how many have ever shot film, where exactly the same issues come up, but pros used if for mission critical work for decades. It’s about learning to use a tool properly and then enjoy using it. Sometimes I lose photos on film for one reason or another, and I’ve lost whole rolls because of mistakes. I’ve actually shot entire magazine articles with the M10-D. Someone said earlier, it’s not for everyone and I would agree. But that doesn’t mean the camera doesn’t have a place. I for one love the “D” models, but I also agree that losing images is either the camera or the card - and not every card works in the M11 as it writes so much faster than earlier models, so I hope the OP gets a fix. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted February 12 Share #36 Posted February 12 (edited) Recently there was a German podcast with Roman Rabitsch, CEO of the card manufacturer Angelbird, who stressed in the interview the criticality to never swap cards between cameras even of the same manufacturer. He further recommended to always format the sd card in camera after it was out off the camera. The card is not a static device but includes software and has to be handled accordingly. If you download your images to the computer, your computer might write something on your card even if the write protect switch is on. To avoid that you need a special card reader which protects your sd card to be written on by the computer. Bearing that in mind there is a potential issue with sd cards. Edited February 12 by Steve Ash 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted February 12 Share #37 Posted February 12 49 minutes ago, Steve Ash said: Recently there was a German podcast with Roman Rabitsch, CEO of the card manufacturer Angelbird, who stressed in the interview the criticality to never swap cards between cameras even of the same manufacturer. He further recommended to always format the sd card in camera after it was out off the camera. The card is not a static device but includes software and has to be handled accordingly. If you download your images to the computer, your computer might write something on your card even if the write protect switch is on. To avoid that you need a special card reader which protects your sd card to be written on by the computer. Bearing that in mind there is a potential issue with sd cards. This is very interesting and instructive. I have always done this out of habit and haven't had any issues at all with my M11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted February 12 Share #38 Posted February 12 12 hours ago, pedaes said: Simple answer - they are not. I would not base any wild conclusions of the relatively small number (of the total) of M11 owners that engage here. Unless you have facts about total cameras sold / defects reported I would avoid 'all'. One happy M11 owner. I agree -i haven't had any issues at all. Generally, people report issues more than those who report no issues. This is what humans do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted February 12 Share #39 Posted February 12 45 minutes ago, JNK100 said: I agree -i haven't had any issues at all. Generally, people report issues more than those who report no issues. This is what humans do. … and by generally, I believe there is scientific proof that it is a 10:1 ratio of likely to report problems vs. reporting no problems. For years I have been fascinated by Amazon reviews of things, and for any item with dozens of reviews the VERY BEST reviewed items will not be over 85% positive. So even the best non-mechanical widget will have 15% of its buyers have issues. Mark my words, several years into M12 sales there will be posts by users reminiscing how great the M11 operated. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted February 12 Share #40 Posted February 12 10 hours ago, JNK100 said: I have always done this out of habit and haven't had any issues at all with my M11. And to play the contrarian I've never done that and haven't had issues with my M11. 😁 Specifically I have swapped cards between cameras; I have not formatted the card in camera; I delete images from the card when plugged into my Mac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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