taxal67 Posted January 23 Share #41 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) As an SL2-S user, exclusively with M lenses, apart from the better layout, the play button on the right, etc that came with the SL3 - is there any real gain with the SL3-S? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ken Abrahams Posted January 23 Share #42 Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, taxal67 said: As an SL2-S user, exclusively with M lenses, apart from the better layout, the play button on the right, etc that came with the SL3 - is there any real gain with the SL3-S? For me it eliminates cross purposed buttons between SL2S and SL3S as you point out and several other improvements and additions that give the SL3S a slight cutting edge. Multishot, Content Credentials, AF improvements improved speeds and probably other items I can’t remember right now. I’ve never been precious about cameras, they are tools to use rather than camera collecting. I have been using the SL2S more than the SL3 because of its file qualities. I guess I could have managed the different interfaces. Whoops I lost the last paragraph of my post before sending, oh damn. Edited January 23 by Ken Abrahams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted January 23 Share #43 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, jonoslack said: Okay - lets be less vague then - with the zooming dog I get some good shots, but often it's only 50 or 60% - during the course of testing with the SL3 and SL3-s I've used the Sony A7R V Sony A1 and the Olympus OM-1ii. With their precapture mode and the stacked sensor of the A1 and OM-1 the results are just much much better . . . . but both cameras have other compromises. If tracking high speed objects is your primary reason for having the camera it's the wrong camera! On the other hand I got the shots I wanted from it because of the 30 FPS raw capture and large buffer, which is something the SL2-S simply cannot do. Sadly I couldn't compare the tracking with an SL2-S, but it really should be better with the PDAF, and there should be scope for further improvements in the future. Is that still too vague? Thank you. I`m sure that Leica aren`t complacent about this and will be pressing Panasonic for continuing improvement as regards the AF. I hope that the disappointment being expressed by some users may help them in this regard . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronilux Posted January 23 Share #44 Posted January 23 vor 2 Stunden schrieb jonoslack: Is that still too vague? No, massively appreciate you took that extra time. Thank you so much. Interesting to me would be a comparison of the 5fps mode to the SL2-S. With it´s newest firmware I have a keeper rate of around 70-80% with normal moving subjects and around 50-60% for quick moving subjects, which I am happy with. The SL3-S would need a pretty decent improvement to make sense at this point. I assume it would be better, since it has more time to (re)acquire focus with only 5fps. That said, I feel like the improvement is still not big enough and the SL3-S feels more like a SL2-S Mark II, which is not enough to me personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louiedi Posted January 23 Share #45 Posted January 23 Terrific review @jonoslack and as always your images are inspiring. Cheers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 23 Share #46 Posted January 23 51 minutes ago, Markey said: Thank you. I`m sure that Leica aren`t complacent about this and will be pressing Panasonic for continuing improvement as regards the AF. I hope that the disappointment being expressed by some users may help them in this regard . It's been two years since the S5II was launched. The S5II firmware for autofocus performance is baked and done as far as Panasonic is concerned, and they don't give two shits about the SL3-S. That's not to say Lecia won't improve the SL3-S AF, but it's unlikely to ever exceed the S5II performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 23 Share #47 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, taxal67 said: As an SL2-S user, exclusively with M lenses, apart from the better layout, the play button on the right, etc that came with the SL3 - is there any real gain with the SL3-S? The main improvements have to do with speed (CF Express card slot, faster processor, higher frame rates, faster AF), so you might not notice them if you don't stress the speed of your SL2-S. Image quality is broadly similar. You can now go to EI 200,000 if that matters to you. You might also appreciate the movable rear screen if you shoot from lower or higher viewpoints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Share #48 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, taxal67 said: As an SL2-S user, exclusively with M lenses, apart from the better layout, the play button on the right, etc that came with the SL3 - is there any real gain with the SL3-S? In addition to the mentioned items, the handheld multishot, once it works, will give you a better IQ when shooting handheld (less noise). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted January 23 Share #49 Posted January 23 2 hours ago, hdmesa said: It's been two years since the S5II was launched. The S5II firmware for autofocus performance is baked and done as far as Panasonic is concerned, and they don't give two shits about the SL3-S. That's not to say Lecia won't improve the SL3-S AF, but it's unlikely to ever exceed the S5II performance. Good grief. I don`t follow the industry that closely. That being the case , the SL line will follow probably suffer the same fate as the other attempts made by Leica to provide an alternative platform to the M . It appears then that ,for me, there isn`t enough improvement in the areas which would provide any real benefit. I`ll just I`ll soldier on with my battered SL2s and existing lenses. That`s ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #50 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Markey said: alternative platform to the M . That it is certainly not. It is the 21st century replacement of the R line. 4 hours ago, hdmesa said: they don't give two shits about the SL3-S. That I strongly doubt as Leica and Panasonic have an extensive technical cooperation contract. There is quite a bit of co-development; it is not as if Leica just buys technology with Panasonic, it is a two-way street. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #51 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, BernardC said: The main improvements have to do with speed (CF Express card slot, faster processor, higher frame rates, faster AF), so you might not notice them if you don't stress the speed of your SL2-S. Image quality is broadly similar. You can now go to EI 200,000 if that matters to you. You might also appreciate the movable rear screen if you shoot from lower or higher viewpoints. Plus PDAF hybrid AF* and higher burst rate. * Once they have sorted their firmware and with the right lenses it will be pretty good - Think close behind Canon and Nikon, still behind Sony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 23 Share #52 Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: ...That I strongly doubt as Leica and Panasonic have an extensive technical cooperation contract. There is quite a bit of co-development; it is not as if Leica just buys technology with Panasonic, it is a two-way street. I was trying to make the point that Panasonic is not going to be interested in improving the SL3-S AF beyond that of the S5II AF. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23 Share #53 Posted January 23 I think that the end result will be approximately in lockstep. Panasonic will be more Video-focussed (pun intended) and Leica more Stills. I regard the Leica version as more or less Beta. Well, Panasonic maybe too - time will tell. I have no axe to grind here - I am not an AF fanatic, If the going gets tough I switch to manual focus. The SL2S does me just fine (provided I have a fast focussing lens) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted January 23 Share #54 Posted January 23 (edited) 55 minutes ago, jaapv said: That it is certainly not. It is the 21st century replacement of the R line. That I strongly doubt as Leica and Panasonic have an extensive technical cooperation contract. There is quite a bit of co-development; it is not as if Leica just buys technology with Panasonic, it is a two-way street. I know that is the line which I was referencing when I said "as the other attempts made by Leica to provide an alternative platform to the M" . I thought that much was clear Wasn`t the R an alternative to the M ? Edited January 23 by Markey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 23 Share #55 Posted January 23 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb jaapv: I regard the Leica version as more or less Beta. Well, Panasonic maybe too - time will tell. But a pretty pretty much free of bugs beta please! Anyway, myself also awaiting a lot of improvements too to get the best out of new hardware. Edited January 23 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 23 Author Share #56 Posted January 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cronilux said: No, massively appreciate you took that extra time. Thank you so much. Interesting to me would be a comparison of the 5fps mode to the SL2-S. With it´s newest firmware I have a keeper rate of around 70-80% with normal moving subjects and around 50-60% for quick moving subjects, which I am happy with. The SL3-S would need a pretty decent improvement to make sense at this point. I assume it would be better, since it has more time to (re)acquire focus with only 5fps. That said, I feel like the improvement is still not big enough and the SL3-S feels more like a SL2-S Mark II, which is not enough to me personally. Well! i can’t do an SL2 5fps comparison BUT! The SL3-S does a comfortable 30 fps with DNG, so if you get 3 good shots with your SL2-S at 5Fps in a second then I reckon you would certainly get 15 good shots in a second with the SL3-S. Which seems like a pretty decent improvement to me! Edited January 23 by jonoslack 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 23 Author Share #57 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: I was trying to make the point that Panasonic is not going to be interested in improving the SL3-S AF beyond that of the S5II AF. They are if someone pays them! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 23 Share #58 Posted January 23 1 minute ago, jonoslack said: They are if someone pays them! Yes, but then we have to assume they are capable of doing better. The S5II has been out for two years already, so the SL3-S should have naturally inherited that AF performance. If not, then sure, Leica should ask for parity. I'm not familiar enough with Panasonic/LUMIX firmware history. Have they made major AF improvements before when going into the third year of a camera? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronilux Posted January 23 Share #59 Posted January 23 vor 30 Minuten schrieb jonoslack: Well! i can’t do an SL2 5fps comparison BUT! The SL3-S does a comfortable 30 fps with DNG, so if you get 3 good shots with your SL2-S at 5Fps in a second then I reckon you would certainly get 15 good shots in a second with the SL3-S. Which seems like a pretty decent improvement to me! No 14bit with 30fps. Not interesting to me then. That’s why I asked for the 5fps setting. This is also a big bummer to me, that this has not been improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 23 Author Share #60 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Cronilux said: No 14bit with 30fps. Not interesting to me then. That’s why I asked for the 5fps setting. This is also a big bummer to me, that this has not been improved. The 12 bit DNG files are just fine! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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