mpauliks Posted January 21 Share #101 Posted January 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 51 Minuten schrieb SrMi: <duplicate, please delete> Will you sell SL3 now? Like me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted January 21 Author Share #102 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, mpauliks said: Will you sell SL3 now? Like me? No, I will not :). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 21 Share #103 Posted January 21 vor 1 Minute schrieb SrMi: No, I will not :). Leica will fix the handheld Multishot! I am super sure! Will come back to you! lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 22 Share #104 Posted January 22 FYI Leica forwarded to developers for Multishot on APC-C glas. Let´s see, if they really open the algorithm for APS-C too. I fear, this would be a lot of work! My little Pana S9 is not able to do Multishot with APS-C either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22 Share #105 Posted January 22 On 1/21/2025 at 1:47 AM, mpauliks said: It seems meanwhile we have to deal with a bug in firmware. Please read the thread here. It seems Leica did forget to turn on IS for handheld Multi Shot. Anyhow we can only speculate on this. Did mail about it to Leica to check it out. It might not be that they forgot to turn it on. As handheld mulitishot relies on IS to shift the sensor they might have run into a technical glitch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 22 Share #106 Posted January 22 (edited) vor 5 Minuten schrieb jaapv: It might not be that they forgot to turn it on. As handheld mulitishot relies on IS to shift the sensor they might have run into a technical glitch. Jaap, let´s see. I just take my cute Pana S9 as indicator what is possible and stay optimistic Trusting on Wetzlar! Edited January 22 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 22 Share #107 Posted January 22 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, mpauliks said: Jaap, let´s see. I just take my cute Pana S9 as indicator what is possible and stay optimistic Trusting on Wetzlar! In addition to trust and hope; don't forget patience. More often than not, things take (a looooong) time... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22 Author Share #108 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, jaapv said: It might not be that they forgot to turn it on. As handheld mulitishot relies on IS to shift the sensor they might have run into a technical glitch. No handheld multishot on market relies on IBIS to shift sensor. To the best of my knowledge, they rely on camera body movement. This is confirmed by my SL3-S test that shows handheld multishot to have worse detail/resolution when mounted on a tripod than when handheld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22 Author Share #109 Posted January 22 1 hour ago, mpauliks said: Jaap, let´s see. I just take my cute Pana S9 as indicator what is possible and stay optimistic Trusting on Wetzlar! I am also in contact with Leica. I have not yet received confirmation that they see it as a bug. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 22 Share #110 Posted January 22 vor 3 Minuten schrieb SrMi: I am also in contact with Leica. I have not yet received confirmation that they see it as a bug. On handheld multishot they did not say anything so far to me either. Only on APS-C to have it forwarded to dev. But APS-C is no bug. I guess APS-C would require them to open up complete algorithm! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22 Share #111 Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, SrMi said: No handheld multishot on market relies on IBIS to shift sensor. To the best of my knowledge, they rely on camera body movement. This is confirmed by my SL3-S test that shows handheld multishot to have worse detail/resolution when mounted on a tripod than when handheld. Some people appear to disagree https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/what-is-pixel-shift-multi-shot-can-quadruple-your-camera-resolution 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 22 Share #112 Posted January 22 @LUF Admin Andreas is on checking out handheld Multishot too! So, let´s wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22 Author Share #113 Posted January 22 23 minutes ago, jaapv said: Some people appear to disagree https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/what-is-pixel-shift-multi-shot-can-quadruple-your-camera-resolution They do not talk about handheld multishot. Tripod based pixel shift relies on IBIS moving the sensor and stabilization must be off. Handheld multishot cannot rely on pixel shift as the camera is not immobile. Tripod based multishot has always better detail/resolution than handheld multishot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22 Share #114 Posted January 22 If you read down they do. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418658-multishot-on-sl3-s/?do=findComment&comment=5744889'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 22 Share #115 Posted January 22 vor 12 Minuten schrieb jaapv: If you read down they do. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Jaap, why can I do 200 on S9 and not on SL3-S. There must be something not fine with current firmware IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22 Share #116 Posted January 22 As I said, probably some technical hitch. It may well come later in an update. It came that way on the S5Ii. Leica only has to pick up the phone. https://m.dpreview.com/news/3385922658/panasonic-rlumix-s5-ii-and-s5-iix-firmware-with-handheld-high-res 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22 Author Share #117 Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, jaapv said: If you read down they do. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for pointing it out. They are wrong. I know that Olympus does not use pixel-shift for handheld multishots (there is some official documentation around this). Also, the results and the procedure from handheld vs tripod multishot are different. For a fixed exposure, a tripod multishot takes 3 seconds to collect images, while a tripod multishot takes 5 seconds. It also takes much longer to assemble handheld than tripod multishot. This is consistent with Olympus implementation: 8 shots for a tripod and 12-16 shots for a handheld multishot. When mounted on a tripod, the handheld multishot resolution is worse, which should not be the case if pixel shift was used for both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22 Share #118 Posted January 22 Somebody forgot to tell Panasonic it seems. I count eight shots with handheld. It is not a separate setting either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23 Author Share #119 Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, jaapv said: Somebody forgot to tell Panasonic it seems. I count eight shots with handheld. It is not a separate setting either. How do you count eight shots? What do you mean it is not a separate setting? After a recent update, you should have a handheld or tripod option (Handheld High Res ON or Off). Don't you? If you don't, you do not have a handheld multishot in your camera. In the video below, Richard Wong compares handheld vs. tripod multishot using s5 II. His findings probably apply to SL3-S as well. He also says that tripod mode needs eight shots while handheld needs 16 shots. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 23 Share #120 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, SrMi said: No handheld multishot on market relies on IBIS to shift sensor. To the best of my knowledge, they rely on camera body movement. This is confirmed by my SL3-S test that shows handheld multishot to have worse detail/resolution when mounted on a tripod than when handheld. Where did you get this information from? Source please. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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