Photoworks Posted January 19 Share #81 Posted January 19 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, mpauliks said: Traded in my SL3 for SL3-S, so cannot do the compare myself. Still searching for the review with compare images. they gave $2000 back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #82 Posted January 19 vor 13 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: they gave $2000 back? Was really a fair deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 19 Share #83 Posted January 19 Mmm, perhaps a misleading title with too much hyperbole there. What's the definition of fast? If I recall correctly, the M3 has the fastest shutter release throw time (not exactly sure what the term for that is). Fast is all relative... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Share #84 Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: Mmm, perhaps a misleading title with too much hyperbole there. What's the definition of fast? If I recall correctly, the M3 has the fastest shutter release throw time (not exactly sure what the term for that is). Fast is all relative... Scraping Leica's SL3-S page: Fast in the context of SL2-S is probably related to autofocus, the transmission rate for video, and connection to the FOTOS app. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Share #85 Posted January 19 3 hours ago, hoolyproductions said: I'm not sure if it has already been discussed in this thread, but the Red Dot episode (starting around 1hr 50 ish) on the SL3-S does comparisons: for SL3-S and SL2-S at 6400 ISO and then at 50,000 ISO. It also does the same ISO comparisons for SL3 and SL3-S (SL3 files downsampled accordingly. Their analysis, (combined with a little speculation from me) is as follows: At ISO 6400 and 50,000 No practical difference between the SL2-S and SL3-S. Perhaps a very very slight edge to the SL3-S At ISO 6400, no practical difference between the SL3-S and SL3 (although they did not try to push the shadows, which might have started to show some difference). IMO this is a big improvement on SL2 at this ISO At ISO 50,000 the SL3-S clearly outperforms the SL3, but neither are particularly fantastic What I would have liked to see is comparisons at 12500 and 25000 ISO (settings I quite often use with the SL2-S) to see where the 'tipping point' is My own tentative take on this (as an SL3 and SL2-S owner) I can now use my SL3 in pretty much any light situation (when I had then SL2 I preferred not to use it in lower light). I had already noticed this for myself of course but it was interesting to see the analysis/comparison SL3-S does not offer any real improvement over the (already class leading) high ISO performance of the SL2-S (not a surprise) When working with very high ISOs the SLx-S cameras still offer an advantage Personally I have decided to get an SL3-S to go alongside my SL3 because I really like the 'sum total' of the various minor upgrades (button layout, tilt screen, updated menu system, identical operation across the two cameras, faster image transfer etc). I'll hold on to my SL2-S for the time being (but mostly for sentimental reasons as we have been through so much together 😃 ) I am interested in how the camera performs when lifting shadows; that is where the differences occur, and it is a typical post-processing situation. Also, that was SL2-S's strong point, as the image did not fall apart like it did with many other cameras. I am less interested in cases where the image degrades so much that it becomes unusable, even though sometimes that shows the difference best. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #86 Posted January 19 vor 57 Minuten schrieb SrMi: I am interested in how the camera performs when lifting shadows; Did underexpose with at least 2 or 3 EVs. This was no issue at all. Not a real test done so far, but was very positive surprised so far 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 19 Share #87 Posted January 19 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Scraping Leica's SL3-S page: Fast in the context of SL2-S is probably related to autofocus, the transmission rate for video, and connection to the FOTOS app. Yes, that relationship I get. But has Leica been making autofocus lenses for 100 years? My google results say their first was the AF-C1 in 1989. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #88 Posted January 19 Here I did pull up 4.5 EV!! You can see first artefacts. 2 or 3 is no issue, I think. Flickr links. Image is Tripod Multishot in 96 MP. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Same image 4.5 EV pulled up 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Same image 4.5 EV pulled up ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418592-leica-sl3-s-fastest-camera-in-leica%E2%80%99s-100-year-camera-history/?do=findComment&comment=5742811'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 19 Share #89 Posted January 19 In a comparison of the Q3 43 and SL2-S, I can shoot both at ISO 25,000, and get good colours and noise in the midtones to highlights, but cannot safely lift the Q3 43 shadows in the same way I can with the SL2-S. So I expect significant differences between the current and previous SL generations to be revealed in tests that lift the shadows, not in comparing midtones and highlights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 19 Share #90 Posted January 19 I performed ISO 3200 and ISO 6400 tests in a realistic situation where the final image is usable: a dark room with a bright window. I wanted to preserve the highlights in the window—in LrC, I applied +4 Exposure and AI Denoise. SL3-S and SL3 produce very similar results. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 19 Share #91 Posted January 19 (edited) What’s the WB like compared to the SL3? The SL3 has better WB than the SL2-S IMO. You can see it in the two images in the link below. The tiles are warmer with the SL2-S but the colors look equally warm with the SL3 despite the overall lower temperature in the SL3 pic. To me that’s why the SL3 has the best IQ of any camera Leica has ever made besides the S3/S2/S1 but the latter are huge. lihttps://chaemono.smugmug.com/SL3-test-shots-vs-other-cameras Edited January 19 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 19 Share #92 Posted January 19 Thank you so much for sharing this pro images incl. download option! Just before, sure, I think the SL3 is still the master for photography. When talking about best cam, I meant the complete package please incl. AF Speed. (Small remark, I downloaded your two images and measured in PS the colour of the gray card. Those are a bit different IMO. I am not so much in this, do not know, if this is significant for a compare. As pro you would prob. use stuff like color cards e.g. Passport, too? Final remark please the SL2-S shows a litte better texture for me personally than the SL3 on the tiles left?) Anyway I do not have both cams available anymore to provide you a real answer on your question please. I have the little Passport, but so far did not calibrate the SL3-S at all please though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #93 Posted January 20 (edited) Did a night walk with SL3-S, just did let it run up to ISO 50.000. All fine. No issues Happy ISO 50.000 SOOC jpg. Leica Looks Brass Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 20 by mpauliks 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418592-leica-sl3-s-fastest-camera-in-leica%E2%80%99s-100-year-camera-history/?do=findComment&comment=5743069'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #94 Posted January 20 Maybe the very first Image with SL3-S at Flickr that got explored Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418592-leica-sl3-s-fastest-camera-in-leica%E2%80%99s-100-year-camera-history/?do=findComment&comment=5743122'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 20 Share #95 Posted January 20 Image from previous link is meanwhile my most faved image on Flickr Done in Tripod Multishift I am a Macro nerd...lol... The "new one" is doing just outstanding IMO! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 20 Share #96 Posted January 20 On 1/19/2025 at 12:57 PM, Chaemono said: What’s the WB like compared to the SL3? The SL3 has better WB than the SL2-S IMO. You can see it in the two images in the link below. The tiles are warmer with the SL2-S but the colors look equally warm with the SL3 despite the overall lower temperature in the SL3 pic. To me that’s why the SL3 has the best IQ of any camera Leica has ever made besides the S3/S2/S1 but the latter are huge. Why would WB matter much, except for JPGs? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 20 Share #97 Posted January 20 2 hours ago, SrMi said: Why would WB matter much, except for JPGs? It would matter because getting it wrong adds another step to post processing. Making WB match between photos is time consuming if it’s inconsistent. There are of course other ways to handle WB outside of AWB but great AWB is important to me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 21 Share #98 Posted January 21 (edited) vor 24 Minuten schrieb LD_50: It would matter because getting it wrong adds another step to post processing. Making WB match between photos is time consuming if it’s inconsistent. There are of course other ways to handle WB outside of AWB but great AWB is important to me. You are 100% correct! But please provide me prove that SL3-S is wrong on WB! I do not have SL3 and SL3-S available anymore, so cannot do the test myself! Anyway, I cannot imagine that Leica is doing WB on new baby wrong! Edited January 21 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 21 Share #99 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, mpauliks said: You are 100% correct! But please provide me prove that SL3-S is wrong on WB! I do not have SL3 and SL3-S available anymore, so cannot do the test myself! Anyway, I cannot imagine that Leica is doing WB on new baby wrong! I don’t have an SL3 or SL3-S to provide any information on WB performance. I do not have concerns with my SL2-S. I was simply explaining why it’s important. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 21 Share #100 Posted January 21 vor 11 Minuten schrieb LD_50: I don’t have an SL3 or SL3-S to provide any information on WB performance. I do not have concerns with my SL2-S. I was simply explaining why it’s important. I have little Passport Color Checker here. Will run it tomorrow, to see how much SL3-S is "off". Gimme a bit of time please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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