M11 colours vs M9

[jaapv]

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2 hours ago, Steadimann said:

Okay, but so what? We're still processing all files in software and while I understand the logic that Adobe might interpret their 'Adobe color' profile in different ways depending on camera model/sensor, we're doing it the same way and getting the results we are getting.

Or are you saying, that if we shoot Jpeg on two cameras with same white balance,same conditions, camera's internal jpeg interpretation will vary much more as if it that would be in Adobe? Maybe, I did not test that during my lifetime, but then again, I would extremely rarely shoot and use jpeg made by camera. It does make sense with GFX100 as files are monstrous, but other than that, using M9, M11 I would not be using jpeg, so imho it does not make much sense comparing plain jpeg even if it would look differently.

Which Adobe profile? They offer a multitude and they are camera-specific. Nor has it got anything to do with camera jpegs- those are generated in-camera from the raw data and thus tell us nothing. Those are settings chosen by a factory programmer to his personal taste and vary with the person. 
If you want to match colours between cameras you should make a profile for each camera using XRite in identical light  Any difference you can see then ( if any) will indicate a variation in Bayer Filter specification and processing pipeline. 

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[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Steadimann:

The output is DNG but all of the file are exported from Lightroom, adobe colour space. Don't think there is any diffence when it's all done in same environment. 

This is a typical situation - shot under LED lights in the office, AWB, zero corrections, export from Lightroom. Skintones are fabulous. 35Apo lens.

From which of the two cameras was that picture?

[Steadimann]

first two pictures are M11, second - M9.

 

 

[Steadimann]

52 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Which Adobe profile? They offer a multitude and they are camera-specific. Nor has it got anything to do with camera jpegs- those are generated in-camera from the raw data and thus tell us nothing. Those are settings chosen by a factory programmer to his personal taste and vary with the person. 
If you want to match colours between cameras you should make a profile for each camera using XRite in identical light  Any difference you can see then ( if any) will indicate a variation in Bayer Filter specification and processing pipeline. 

I did not try to match them, i wanted to see how different both cameras look out of the box just with correct balance. I will check how do they differ in jpeg mode without any software processing.

[Deeetona]

I admit that i cannot see any difference between the two pics. 

[Steadimann]

2 minutes ago, Deeetona said:

I admit that i cannot see any difference between the two pics. 

it's hard to find differences on a chart, there is a bit more saturation in certains colours with M9, there is more contrast with M9. Differences would be definitely more pronounced shooting outdoors  in contrasty scene with yello/red colours but the whole idea is that it's not something that could not be replicated by a bit of post processing.  Pretty sure I could easily match M11 to M9. Winter outside currently, so hard to make nice, warm, sunny pictures  

[3D-Kraft.com]

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb Steadimann:

first two pictures are M11, second - M9.

I know, but this time I mean the protrait.

[setuporg]

18 hours ago, Deeetona said:

Of course. The one which looks more film-like.

You mean the one with the Leica look.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the M9-P now that I found a cheap Amazon charger can recharge all the M9 batteries reliably.

Edited January 14 by setuporg

[Steadimann]

2 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

I know, but this time I mean the protrait.

Portrait is M9P with AWB Dng exported from Lightroom without any corrections