LD_50 Posted January 24 Share #301 Posted January 24 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It’s curious framing and DOF with an 80+% crop. I’d love to see the original pre-cropped images. Edited January 24 by LD_50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Hi LD_50, Take a look here Leica SL3-S: ‘More light’ – The Unbearable Lightness of Being. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
awolf Posted January 24 Share #302 Posted January 24 Let's start again. This time, I am paying close attention. No cropping, straight out of the camera. 90mm F2. SL3 vs. SL3-S. I will not tell you which is which. I know these are not similar in any other way but the lens, but I only have a limited number of photos on the SL3-S, so that's the best I could come up with. Please no hate, you can disagree with me, that is fine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418450-leica-sl3-s-%E2%80%98more-light%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/?do=findComment&comment=5745576'>More sharing options...
awolf Posted January 24 Share #303 Posted January 24 And here is what the Sony A7RV can do with its 85/1.4. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418450-leica-sl3-s-%E2%80%98more-light%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-the-unbearable-lightness-of-being/?do=findComment&comment=5745579'>More sharing options...
Markey Posted January 24 Share #304 Posted January 24 I`ve not followed the discussion but I prefer the second of the two photographs . The first looks similar to what I get from my SL2s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 24 Share #305 Posted January 24 On 1/22/2025 at 11:17 PM, awolf said: And for photographers who are really looking for the highest image quality 24 megapixel is just no longer acceptable (if you think it is, you simply haven’t shot a 60 meg yet or a 100). 6 hours ago, awolf said: OK, sorry I should have been more careful, I checked the 24 meg image, both images are cropped, similar percentage. 5 hours ago, awolf said: Let's start again. This time, I am paying close attention. Your 'opinion' in the first post is what started this excitement, aggravated by subsequent misleading examples. I suspect you realise by now that there are people here other than you with experience at 60mp, 100mp. If you want to convince them that your opinion is correct you are going to have to shoot brick walls and fences on a tripod under identical conditions. You are comparing a handheld street shot of one static subject, under one set of lighting, exposure and other conditions, with a shot of a different (moving) subject in different conditions. That's not convincing. I wouldn't blame you if you don't want to shoot brick walls from a tripod - I wouldn't. But it's the only way to back up your assertions. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 24 Share #306 Posted January 24 However, if you had said “I prefer 60 MP because I tend to crop heavily in street photography” , nobody would have challenged you except for advising you to get a Q3. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted January 24 Share #307 Posted January 24 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, awolf said: Let's start again. This time, I am paying close attention. No cropping, straight out of the camera. 90mm F2. SL3 vs. SL3-S. I will not tell you which is which. I know these are not similar in any other way but the lens, but I only have a limited number of photos on the SL3-S, so that's the best I could come up with. Please no hate, you can disagree with me, that is fine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Assuming these are both shot at f2, rather than just on an f2 lens but at different apertures, these are good shots for sensor comparison. The first looks like the 24mp and the second like the 60mp one to my eye. I personally far prefer the look in the first shot, clients mostly want the look of the second image. Which is great for me as it helps my work and play kits separate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted January 24 Share #308 Posted January 24 On 1/19/2025 at 7:02 PM, LocalHero1953 said: This just shows how two people reading the same stuff come to different conclusions. I haven't read the SL2-S or SL3-S stuff as marketing a video camera, but rather a hybrid camera: usable for high quality stills and video without going to the expense of buying two devices, and allowing you to take stills and video together. Low resolution does not have to mean intended for video; frankly most still photography needs little more than 24mp, and it reduces the processing requirements, both in-camera and for post processing - and it appears to contribute the exceptional low light performance. What do you use video for? I mean, the marketing video featured filmmakers, no? Maybe I got it all wrong?! I've used it for fashion week (video), not good (AF in catwalk is not amazing), also events (acceptable, subjects are moving a bit less and easy to track), interviews (good), live concerts (acceptable). I'm sure a lot bought it for some cinematography where the AF is not needed but if you shoot a lot of run & gun fast paced stuff, you will need AF. And a good one. I love the ergonomics, the simplicity of the menu, the grip etc. but overall it has been a bit of a regretful purchase for my filming needs. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFM Posted January 24 Share #309 Posted January 24 vor 12 Stunden schrieb awolf: And here is what the Sony A7RV can do with its 85/1.4. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hi, if anyone wants to compare SL3 / SL3s (and SL2s) and don´t know how to do, I highly recommend the "red dot forum camera talk" (I think this is well known). As a Germany located Leica customer I always welcome the first impressions and reviews they do at Miami.... The talk has taken place and is available on YouTube...In the last part they show images comparing SL3 / SL3s..... Red Dot Forum Camera Talk: Leica SL3-S 5.3K views January 18, 2025 10:56 pm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyBug Posted February 16 Share #310 Posted February 16 On 1/16/2025 at 1:21 PM, tjphoto said: It doesn't focus as well with APO lenses? They are the whole reason I want to shoot with the SL system. Disappointed. I think you missed the point ... My understanding is that the AF is significantly improved. HOWEVER ... the lens you choose will be part of the puzzle. Moving more glass takes more power, etc. I'm expecting that there IS an improvement with the APO lenses ... just that the gains in the non-APO ASPH (or Panny) lenses that have less glass to move around will benefit even MORE than the APO's. I could be wrong, but the physics of moving mass with a given amount of power vs. acceleration remains, so YEAH ... there will be a DIFFERENCE between the APO's vs. the non-APO's. Also, I'm wondering if the larger capacity battery is able to give a little more "umph" to the AF motor. Point being, don't toss the baby out with the bathwater ... if you want a lens that is maximized for IQ, it may not be optimized for speed. Bear in mind, the SL APO's are basically Medium Format S series lenses (conceptually) with an L mount (i.e. SL). I think folks need to be realistic about the expectations to have their Max IQ and Max AF speed in the same lens. It's kind of a quid pro quo, once you start talking about SL APO's (imo). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 16 Share #311 Posted February 16 10 hours ago, RustyBug said: I think you missed the point ... My understanding is that the AF is significantly improved. HOWEVER ... the lens you choose will be part of the puzzle. Moving more glass takes more power, etc. I'm expecting that there IS an improvement with the APO lenses ... just that the gains in the non-APO ASPH (or Panny) lenses that have less glass to move around will benefit even MORE than the APO's. I could be wrong, but the physics of moving mass with a given amount of power vs. acceleration remains, so YEAH ... there will be a DIFFERENCE between the APO's vs. the non-APO's. Also, I'm wondering if the larger capacity battery is able to give a little more "umph" to the AF motor. Point being, don't toss the baby out with the bathwater ... if you want a lens that is maximized for IQ, it may not be optimized for speed. Bear in mind, the SL APO's are basically Medium Format S series lenses (conceptually) with an L mount (i.e. SL). I think folks need to be realistic about the expectations to have their Max IQ and Max AF speed in the same lens. It's kind of a quid pro quo, once you start talking about SL APO's (imo). I agree with you. I have noticed great AF speed improvements in performance in the latest AF lenses; the new motors are much faster than the first DG DN that came out a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAFORLIFE Posted February 20 Share #312 Posted February 20 Good afternoon, Potential SL3-S buyer here, about to make a move. Is it safe to assume that the image rendering/colors of the SL3-S sensor ressembles more the one of the SL3 than the SL2-S? Thank you all for your precious advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 20 Share #313 Posted February 20 If you profile both cameras you will be hard put to see any difference. Colour rendering is set in raw conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAFORLIFE Posted February 20 Share #314 Posted February 20 Just now, jaapv said: If you profile both cameras you will be hard put to see any difference. When you say both cameras, do you mean the SL3-S next to the SL3, or next to the SL2-S ? Thanks for the clarification and your answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 20 Share #315 Posted February 20 Well, basically for all cameras, certainly of the same brand. Although the Bayer filter specifications will have some influence, most differences that we see are made in the computer when the raw is converted. Change the profile, change the colour rendering. The profile instructions that are embedded by the camera maker and the one that is chosen by the postprocessing software will be overridden by the profile chosen by the photographer. A fine example is the M11. The profile embedded by Leica tends towards magenta. Use another profile and the colours are neutralized. Of course, when using JPG camera output, the maker’s choice will be harder to correct. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted February 20 Share #316 Posted February 20 The SL3 and SL3S - yes very similar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayoco Posted February 24 Share #317 Posted February 24 On 1/23/2025 at 10:20 PM, awolf said: Let's start again. This time, I am paying close attention. No cropping, straight out of the camera. 90mm F2. SL3 vs. SL3-S. I will not tell you which is which. I know these are not similar in any other way but the lens, but I only have a limited number of photos on the SL3-S, so that's the best I could come up with. Please no hate, you can disagree with me, that is fine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I prefer the top image...by a mile. I sold the SL2-S to fund an SL3. I think an SL3-s may be in future. It looks more filmic. That may just be the fact that it's a 24mp sensor. I should probably rent an S5II and see if that scratches the itch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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