Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #121 Posted January 16 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Anthony MD said: Maybe a $25,000 + CD player would sound better but not worth it compared to an equivalent LP player…! What I’m trying to convey, is Film and digital are two distinct formats that should be kept separated not made to look like each other but appreciated for their individual qualities…🎞️📷 Edited January 16 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 16 Share #122 Posted January 16 I would miss Silver Efex if it did not exist. Analog cannot imitate digital but the opposite is not true. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #123 Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, lct said: I would miss Silver Efex if it did not exist. Analog cannot imitate digital but the opposite is not true. Interesting…🥸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 16 Share #124 Posted January 16 (edited) vor 15 Stunden schrieb Anthony MD: Maybe a $25,000 + CD player would sound better but not worth it compared to an equivalent LP player…! Maybe my LP player is to cheap, because it’s hardly possible for me to hear the difference between my LP player and my Rotel Cd player, listening to the same recording. There must be double blind Scientific reasearch somewhere to objectify these statements? And what about digital pictures perfectly resembling analogue? Edited January 16 by Paulus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #125 Posted January 16 16 minutes ago, Paulus said: Maybe my LP player is to cheap, because it’s hardly possible for me to hear the difference between my LP player and my Rotel Cd player, listening to the same recording. There must be double blind Scientific reasearch somewhere to objectify these statements? And what about digital pictures perfectly resembling analogue? A better turntable will allow the differences between digital and vinyl more apparent…!🎙️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5740645'>More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #126 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Anthony MD said: A better turntable will allow the differences between digital and vinyl more apparent…!🎙️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Audiophile LP’s are essential to hear the difference…🎙️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 16 Author Share #127 Posted January 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) Film vs. digital…🎞️📷 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5740656'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 16 Share #128 Posted January 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Anthony MD said: A better turntable will allow the differences between digital and vinyl more apparent…!🎙️ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! So it all comes back to ‘mine is better than yours’? Although there is the theory that what you do with it that counts. I think claiming a higher ground was what started this thread and the very thing that defeats the premise. You may like how you engineer the things you like, and you may not like what other people do, but technology is not equivalent to creating your own aesthetic, it is simply consuming somebody else’s aesthetic whether from the original music artist or the people who built the deck or amp. Which is very different from making your own photograph and deciding how you want to render it, you are not starting from somebody else’s starting point. Edited January 16 by 250swb 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 17 Author Share #129 Posted January 17 (edited) 20 hours ago, Anthony MD said: Film vs. digital…🎞️📷 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! IMHO, digital can never look (exactly) like film the same way digital can never sound (exactly) like vinyl…📷🎞️💿🎙️ Edited January 17 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Faber Posted January 17 Share #130 Posted January 17 (edited) vor 48 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: IMHO, digital can never look (exactly) like film the same way digital can never sound (exactly) like vinyl…📷🎞️💿🎙️ I would recommend a little restraint in making such absolute statements. It sounds a bit like "Cars will never replace horse-drawn carriages" or "Machines will never beat humans at chess". We all know how that turned out. Rather, the trajectory of technological progress clearly shows that it is only a matter of time before the techniques used to digitally imitate analogue audio, such as tape or vinyl, or analogue film, are so advanced that they exceed the limits of human perception. Edited January 17 by Homo Faber 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 17 Author Share #131 Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, Homo Faber said: I would recommend a little restraint in making such absolute statements. It sounds a bit like "Cars will never replace horse-drawn carriages" or "Machines will never beat humans at chess". We all know how that turned out. Rather, the trajectory of technological progress clearly shows that it is only a matter of time before the techniques used to digitally imitate analogue audio, such as tape or vinyl, or analogue film, are so advanced that they exceed the limits of human perception. I used the wording, “IMHO”, and I have both a high end CD player and turntable which I compare exactly the same recordings on both formats to reach my conclusion…🎙️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Faber Posted January 17 Share #132 Posted January 17 vor 17 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: I used the wording, “IMHO”, and I have both a high end CD player and turntable which I compare exactly the same recordings on both formats to reach my conclusion…🎙️ Well, good for you. But you said Zitat IMHO, digital can never look (exactly) like film the same way digital can never sound (exactly) like vinyl And I only doubted the "never". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 17 Share #133 Posted January 17 (edited) vor 28 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: I used the wording, “IMHO”, and I have both a high end CD player and turntable which I compare exactly the same recordings on both formats to reach my conclusion…🎙️ So may I conclude, that with my low end Cd - and LP player, the comparrisson will be the same? I stil cannot hear the difference. Yes subjectively I can, but objectively it’s hard. I also cannot see if a photographer used a digital or a analogue camera in shooting his war photos . https://eddyvanwessel.com/the-islamic-state Allthough it’s pretty obvious in some negatives: the ones who were damaged because his camera was fallen into a river and stayed there for a day and night before retrieving it. Edited January 17 by Paulus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 17 Share #134 Posted January 17 (edited) Funny discussion we had 40 years ago when the first CDs hit the market. I had a modest Philips CD player which sounded better than my Thorens turntable with SME arm then. It's been the end of analog audio for me and the beginning of digital expenses too... Same with photo more or less, i must have shot my last film in the nineties. YMMV. Edited January 17 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 17 Share #135 Posted January 17 (edited) vor 37 Minuten schrieb lct: Funny discussion we had 40 years ago when the first CDs hit the market. I had a modest Philips CD player which sounded better than my Thorens turntable with SME arm then. It's been the end of analog audio for me and the beginning of digital expenses too... Same with photo more or less, i must have shot my last film in the nineties. YMMV. I was listening in Eindhoven in the laboratorium to the first CD recording some 43 years ago I believe . On an excursion with our music- Class when I was 17. I have never forgotten the impression. I was flabbergasted by the clearness of the recording. The man at Phillips said, that the DDD recording on record could in no way compete with the DDD recording on CD . He wasn’t talking about AAA recordings at all because they were focussing stricktly on classical DDD recorded recordings. The first CD “ IGY “ from Donald Fagen was unbelievable clear on my simple Harman Kardon with Studiocraft boxes + phillips cd player. Never thought about it in that time that lp records and analogue photography would grow back in this way. Very interesting. Edited January 17 by Paulus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 17 Author Share #136 Posted January 17 56 minutes ago, Paulus said: So may I conclude, that with my low end Cd - and LP player, the comparrisson will be the same? I stil cannot hear the difference. Yes subjectively I can, but objectively it’s hard. I also cannot see if a photographer used a digital or a analogue camera in shooting his war photos . https://eddyvanwessel.com/the-islamic-state Allthough it’s pretty obvious in some negatives: the ones who were damaged because his camera was fallen into a river and stayed there for a day and night before retrieving it. A high end turntable, $5000+, will in fact reveal the separation of instruments in space unattainable by CD players…🎙️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 17 Author Share #137 Posted January 17 (edited) 46 minutes ago, lct said: Funny discussion we had 40 years ago when the first CDs hit the market. I had a modest Philips CD player which sounded better than my Thorens turntable with SME arm then. It's been the end of analog audio for me and the beginning of digital expenses too... Same with photo more or less, i must have shot my last film in the nineties. YMMV. The convoluted experience I’m having is liking vinyl over CD, whilst favoring digital over film📷🎞️ I had the Thorens SME setup at the time of purchasing a Meridian CD player. Sold the turntable and regretted it ever since…🎙️ Edited January 17 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeetona Posted January 17 Share #138 Posted January 17 Do audiophiles (mostly people who cannot play an instrument or understand music) listed to sine waves on their expensive kit, just like Leicaphiles take photos of brick walls? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 17 Share #139 Posted January 17 vor 1 Minute schrieb Anthony MD: A high end turntable, $5000+, will in fact reveal the separation of instruments in space unattainable by CD players…🎙️ Sorry, I just bought an as new used Leica MP so a €3000,- LP player has to wait some time. Maybe another thought: I listened to classical music a lot. Heard some concerts of the same piece a hundred times or more life. The thing was, that a lot of the time, it was impossible to reveal the seperation of instruments. Would it be better to hear a recording or the same music on record? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted January 17 Share #140 Posted January 17 42 minutes ago, lct said: .... must have shot my last film in the nineties. YMMV. Crazy I took my first digital pictures in the mid to late 90s. I didn't like the pictures and I hated the camera (DCS420). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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