hdmesa Posted December 10, 2024 Share #41 Â Posted December 10, 2024 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 36 minutes ago, Geoff C. Bassett said: I doubt Leica would use the S5IIx sensor, it's the same sensor was used in the SL2-s. It would not be enough of an upgrade. S5IIX is a PDAF sensor. So continuous AF that actually works might be enough to upgrade from SL2-S if one was intent on staying with Leica. Edited December 10, 2024 by hdmesa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 Hi hdmesa, Take a look here New Leica codename "Warp" - is it the SL3-S? (+ list of codenames). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Yang.Li Posted December 10, 2024 Share #42  Posted December 10, 2024 18 hours ago, jaapv said: You mean like the 70-200 by Leica and Sigma, the 60-600 by Sigma, the 150-600 by Sigma, the 100-400 by Leica and Sigma and the Panasonic range? why not APO 400/2.8 and 600/4? too expensive? too heavy? 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summicron75 Posted December 10, 2024 Share #43  Posted December 10, 2024 16 hours ago, Planetwide said: Rumoured to be 33mp... and 30fps  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2024 Share #44  Posted December 10, 2024 49 minutes ago, Yang.Li said: why not APO 400/2.8 and 600/4? too expensive? too heavy? 😃 Err..yes. And too small a market. With the high ISO performance of present day cameras and effective image stabilization such lenses will be rarely needed. Slower lenses suffice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 10, 2024 Share #45 Â Posted December 10, 2024 15 hours ago, frankchn said: This is Leica we are talking about. Value-for-money isn't really a consideration, given that the SL3 is the most expensive FF MILC on the market right now (over an R1, A1II, and Z9) -- unless of course you count the M11 series, which Leica also makes. The SL3 may be the most expensive of those 3 bodies (on this day), but it's not by much. I doubt that photographers who shop at this end of the market are very price-sensitive, unless they are agency stringers. All high-end systems have unique features which are much more relevant than a few hundred dollars on the initial buy-in. If that wasn't the case, the SL3 wouldn't sell-out a few hours after a new batch is delivered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankchn Posted December 11, 2024 Share #46 Â Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) On 12/10/2024 at 5:51 AM, BernardC said: The SL3 may be the most expensive of those 3 bodies (on this day), but it's not by much. I doubt that photographers who shop at this end of the market are very price-sensitive, unless they are agency stringers. All high-end systems have unique features which are much more relevant than a few hundred dollars on the initial buy-in. If that wasn't the case, the SL3 wouldn't sell-out a few hours after a new batch is delivered. Agreed. Leica will price the camera at whatever they think will make the most money and generate the most sales from their target market. They don't really take into consideration whatever other manufacturers have on the market or not, so I think any comparisons to existing or upcoing Panasonics (or Sonys, Canons or Nikons) are not relevant to what features we think Leica will include here or what price they will launch the camera at. Edited December 11, 2024 by frankchn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted December 11, 2024 Share #47 Â Posted December 11, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, frankchn said: Agreed. Leica will price the camera at whatever they think will make the most money and generate the most sales from their target market. They don't really take into consideration whatever other manufacturers have on the market or not, so I think any comparisons to existing or upcoing Panasonics (or Sonys, Canons or Nikons) are not relevant to what features we think Leica will include here or what price they will launch the camera at. The amount of sales and discounts offered on the SL system proves that they actually do. https://petapixel.com/2024/03/22/leica-selling-l-mount-cameras-is-tougher-than-selling-a-q-or-an-m/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 11, 2024 Share #48 Â Posted December 11, 2024 5 minutes ago, padam said: The amount of sales and discounts offered on the SL system proves that they actually do. https://petapixel.com/2024/03/22/leica-selling-l-mount-cameras-is-tougher-than-selling-a-q-or-an-m/ That's compared to an M, which is a camera without any direct competition. The SL3 has been back-ordered since it came-out, so it isn't exactly sitting on shelves. They are sold as fast as they can be produced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 11, 2024 Share #49  Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 18 minutes ago, padam said: The amount of sales and discounts offered on the SL system proves that they actually do. https://petapixel.com/2024/03/22/leica-selling-l-mount-cameras-is-tougher-than-selling-a-q-or-an-m/ A slanted presentation of what Stefan Daniel actually said - as is any news report that includes the word 'admitted'. It is standard journalist technique: "Did you buy that car?". Literal answer "Yes", but reported as: "the man admitted he had spent a large sum from the family savings, including those of his wife, on buying a brand new car". I suspect the journalist's question was "Is it harder to sell the SL series than the M or the Q?". Reported as "Stefan Daniel admitted that....." - and it gives the headline to the Petapixel article. It's not a revelation that SL series sells in smaller numbers than the M (a traditional market) and the Q (an unexpected break-out success). I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just using your post as an excuse to rant about journalists! Edited December 11, 2024 by LocalHero1953 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted December 11, 2024 Share #50 Â Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BernardC said: That's compared to an M, which is a camera without any direct competition. The SL3 has been back-ordered since it came-out, so it isn't exactly sitting on shelves. They are sold as fast as they can be produced. That's easy to do: forecast demand and produce at a slightly slower rate in relation to that, so it will be pre-ordered and in "high demand" for quite a while. Possibly based on the success of Leica, Fujifilm has also started doing the same, but it might backfire as they don't carry the same image and it frustrates its users. Edited December 11, 2024 by padam Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankchn Posted December 11, 2024 Share #51 Â Posted December 11, 2024 55 minutes ago, BernardC said: The SL3 has been back-ordered since it came-out, so it isn't exactly sitting on shelves. They are sold as fast as they can be produced. 13 minutes ago, padam said: That's easy to do: forecast demand and produce at a slightly slower rate in relation to that, so it will be pre-ordered and in "high demand" for quite a while. At least in the US, the SL3 seems to be fairly widely available, with B&H and Adorama showing the camera in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 11, 2024 Share #52 Â Posted December 11, 2024 12 minutes ago, padam said: That's easy to do: forecast demand and produce at a slightly slower rate in relation to that, so it will be pre-ordered and in "high demand" for quite a while. Possibly based on the success of Leica, Fujifilm has also started doing the same, but it might backfire as they don't carry the same image and it frustrates its users. The alternative is to delay releases until they have warehouses full. As you state, even a brand as big as Fuji won't take that risk. Canon did a "soft release" for the R1, where working pros got theirs first, and retail sales officially started after that. 1 minute ago, frankchn said: At least in the US, the SL3 seems to be fairly widely available, with B&H and Adorama showing the camera in stock. That just happened, according to Leica Rumors. A full nine months after release. Even then they'll probably run-out again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyBug Posted December 11, 2024 Share #53  Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) On 12/9/2024 at 2:27 PM, hdmesa said: That would be way better than the 24mp sensors. Many of us would be able to use 33mp as a great all-in-one solution. 33 is a good number for a "responsive" camera. Assuming it is responsive. Hope it retains good well depth and bit depth for color / tonality, too. 40 (think M10R / M10M) with a BSI would be a good number, too. Edited December 11, 2024 by RustyBug 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summarity Posted January 7 Author Share #54  Posted January 7 There's a release coming up soon, maybe related? Though it mentions "film" so who knows - I'm excited either way. Quote Leica is proud of more than 100 years of experience in the development and manufacture of cameras. Each one embodies a deep connection to a common tradition: focusing on the essentials.  Join us in the Leica Stores to experience a new creative tool that seamlessly combines film and photography. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/417809-new-leica-codename-warp-is-it-the-sl3-s-list-of-codenames/?do=findComment&comment=5735504'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 7 Share #55 Â Posted January 7 1 hour ago, summarity said: There's a release coming up soon, maybe related? Though it mentions "film" so who knows - I'm excited either way. Â Perhaps 'film' meaning 'video' rather than analogue film? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted January 7 Share #56 Â Posted January 7 Or maybe the official unveiling of the M Edition 70. Â Production run was scheduled for January. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 7 Share #57 Â Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Perhaps 'film' meaning 'video' rather than analogue film? That's my guess as well, but I'm sure a native German speaker can tell us if "film" refers to analogue film or to moving images. Just one more week of speculation... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynaerik Posted January 7 Share #58 Â Posted January 7 As a native german speaker it sounds to me more like bringing filming (video) and photography closer together. So maybe SL3-S as a successor to SL2-S that was also released as a camera for photography and video. But that's just my guessing 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 7 Share #59  Posted January 7 1 hour ago, dynaerik said: As a native german speaker it sounds to me more like bringing filming (video) and photography closer together. So maybe SL3-S as a successor to SL2-S that was also released as a camera for photography and video. But that's just my guessing  Not a native speaker, but this is also how I read it (I got the german invite). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8 Share #60  Posted January 8 Based on the S5iiX? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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