Would you buy a m60 in 2024?

[lct]

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On 11/28/2024 at 10:10 PM, Olaf_ZG said:

Would you buy the m60 set if you had the spare cash?

Ouch, never i'm afraid. Not a camera for me at any price. As much as i like the RF experience, i need a relevant LV camera too and my M240 is too sluggish for that. I guess the M60 is no different but i have no experience with it sorry.

[satijntje]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Olaf_ZG:

Thanks for all your feedback. Though the camera looks tempting, it might not be wise to use 15k€ to buy it. At the other hand, 15k in the bank will also devaluate, but for sure I wouldn’t enjoy that as much as a camera…

I expect that the amazing 35mm Summilux will go up in price.

[roydonian]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:06 AM, jakontil said:

 hard to pair with any colored lens except titanium which came closest. 

Before buying mine, I tried fitting black and silver-chrome lenses to see what these combinations would look like. I decided that both colour pairings were visually acceptable. In Venice a couple of weeks ago, the lenses I was most commonly using were both silver - the 35mm Summaron and 50mm Summilux, with the black 28mm Elmarit being used when a wider FOV was needed. To my eyes, the colour combination was less eye-jarring than the black focus tab that Leica used on the 35mm Summilux titanium edition.

 

 

[Olaf_ZG]

European Leica shops are offering a complete set for 15 and 17k€. Meanwhile, there is a dealer (non-boutique, but plenty of Leica offerings) has a set without hood and box for 9k.

The latter is described as B, whereas the boutique’s quote A. All give one year warranty.

tempting…

[Olaf_ZG]

I decided to make an offer to the boxless version. Keep your fingers crossed…

[pippy]

20 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

I decided to make an offer to the boxless version. Keep your fingers crossed…

Seems vastly overpriced.

There is one on sale currently here in London in "Mint" condition with original half-case, original stainless-steel 'Thumbs up', caps, white Leica-monogrammed 'evening gloves', enormous boxes and instruction book for £5,500 which equates to €6.550 (I have no affiliation with the company);

https://www.apertureuk.com/leica-m60-edition-camera-body-alc149201.html

Philip.

Edited December 2, 2024 by pippy

[NigelG]

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1 hour ago, pippy said:

Seems vastly overpriced.

There is one on sale currently here in London in "Mint" condition with original half-case, original stainless-steel 'Thumbs up', caps, white Leica-monogrammed 'evening gloves', enormous boxes and instruction book for £5,500 which equates to €6.550 (I have no affiliation with the company);

https://www.apertureuk.com/leica-m60-edition-camera-body-alc149201.html

Philip.

I took the implication that the version he was buying included the lens… so IMHO “cheap”

[pippy]

17 minutes ago, NigelG said:

I took the implication that the version he was buying included the lens… so IMHO “cheap”

Ah! My mistake; I mis-read the post.

Apologies!

Philip.

[Olaf_ZG]

Thanks all for your feedback. Will not buy the m60.

[roydonian]

I asked Leica UK to send me the latest firmware for the Series 60 camera, and 
they replied:

"I been informed we cannot offer a modified or alternative firmware for the M60. 
An update is not necessary for this model because a standard correction profile 
is always used for uncoded lenses or coded lenses"

That last sentence is hard to understand - the camera has the code-reading 
hardware, and the EXIF data of a pic taken on the Series 60 camera and using 
the only coded lens that I have shows that the lens type has been recognised 
correctly. What is the point in recognising the lens type if the camera is not 
going to make use of this information, either by applying any corrections to 
the image files it creates, or by exporting correction data that can be used 
by software such as Capture One? If I buy a current-production lens and mount 
it on my Series 60 camera, am I going to get the full performance that the lens 
can deliver?  

Perhaps there is something about the role of coding and corrections that I'm not 
comprehending... It's a topic that I've never had to understand until now, since 
most of my lenses are Leitz-era products. 

Edited December 5, 2024 by roydonian

[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, roydonian said:

I asked Leica UK to send me the latest firmware for the Series 60 camera, and 
they replied:

"I been informed we cannot offer a modified or alternative firmware for the M60. 
An update is not necessary for this model because a standard correction profile 
is always used for uncoded lenses or coded lenses"

That last sentence is hard to understand - the camera has the code-reading 
hardware, and the EXIF data of a pic taken on the Series 60 camera and using 
the only coded lens that I have shows that the lens type has been recognised 
correctly. What is the point in recognising the lens type if the camera is not 
going to make use of this information, either by applying any corrections to 
the image files it creates, or by exporting correction data that can be used 
by software such as Capture One? If I buy a current-production lens and mount 
it on my Series 60 camera, am I going to get the full performance that the lens 
can deliver?  

Perhaps there is something about the role of coding and corrections that I'm not 
comprehending... It's a topic that I've never had to understand until now, since 
most of my lenses are Leitz-era products. 

The full performance the lens can offer and the full performance the camera can deliver are two entirely different things. Making the pair deliver is the trick.

[lct]

7 hours ago, roydonian said:

[...] What is the point in recognising the lens type if the camera is not going to make use of this information [...]

Not sure to understand either. Leica would not issue firmware updates for new lenses if such updates were not useful. In fact, as i understand it, the M60 is a variant of the M240 whose last firmware is 2.0.3.0 from 2016 IINW and no update has been issued since then AFAIK.

[lct]

My bad sorry. I meant 2.1.0.0 from 2019

[Kannan]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:02 AM, setuporg said:

The Edition 60 is what got me into Leica.  Could not afford it at launch, eyed M-D in store, not the same.  My first Leica was the M10 at launch. I was able to secure one of the last M60’s in 2018, and got a Luigi half case and then ordered a full case from him as well.  I’ve also found an amazing wrist strap that goes perfectly with it.  I have it almost always with the original Steelilux with its ventilated shade.  I also got a titanium 50/2 APO and a Konica Hexar Limited 50/1.2 that look and balance nicely.  After a short stint with M11D that failed I am back with the Edition 60.  I plan to shoot it forever.  There’s nothing like it.

could you post a picture with the wrist strap pls?  i am curious 🙂 

[Deeetona]

It's a bizarre camera and yes, I get why people love it. Buy one, enjoy it, life goes on.

[Anthony MD]

On 12/4/2024 at 12:04 PM, Olaf_ZG said:

Thanks all for your feedback. Will not buy the m60.

The MD 262 is the best Leica for me…📷

[Anthony MD]

 

On 11/30/2024 at 5:47 AM, roydonian said:

Before buying mine, I tried fitting black and silver-chrome lenses to see what these combinations would look like. I decided that both colour pairings were visually acceptable. In Venice a couple of weeks ago, the lenses I was most commonly using were both silver - the 35mm Summaron and 50mm Summilux, with the black 28mm Elmarit being used when a wider FOV was needed. To my eyes, the colour combination was less eye-jarring than the black focus tab that Leica used on the 35mm Summilux titanium edition.

 

 

 

My MD 262 has a red body, a la carte, by Leica…🔴📷

Edited January 27 by Anthony MD

[Anthony MD]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:45 PM, NigelG said:

Having had 2 Edition 60 Ms (recently sold one body through Ivor at Red Dot to a forum member and kept a prototype edition) I would say yes - as long as you're happy using a "naked" M body. 

B/O examples are much cheaper (and I prefer 50 Lux/28Lux shooting (though I have the 35Lux to hand).

I don't have the s/steel "thumbs-up" that was originally available from Match Technical and I emailed Tim Isaac to source one but there were no more available.

I think they might improve handling but a Gordy long handstrap secured to the tripod mount works as well.

The original case has too short a strap for cross-body use...and is thus nicely made but ultimately a bit annoying. Very much a "case" of a non-M-photographer signing-off a design.

(FYI I sold a mint screenless black paint M-D 262 to buy my first M60 as I couldn't bear to get the black paint chipped - so I'm very much an outlier to the "Patina is Everything"/"Black Paint fetish/"A true Leica-ist uses a black paint body as it shows how much I've shot to the world"...so feel free to ignore my heretical thoughts 😉).

 

 

The black paint is delicate but it will still work scratched…📷

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[pippy]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:41 PM, roydonian said:

I asked Leica UK to send me the latest firmware for the Series 60 camera, and they replied:

"I been informed we cannot offer a modified or alternative firmware for the M60.
An update is not necessary for this model because a standard correction profile is always used for uncoded lenses or coded lenses"

That last sentence is hard to understand...

Might it be that there has simply been something lost in the translation?

What if the response was intended to say that whereas a "standard correction profile" would be applied if an uncoded lens was fitted when a coded lens was fitted the camera would recognise it and would always apply the correction for that lens automatically?

Just a thought. Probably completely incorrect though...😸...

Philip.

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