M11-D : how to switch off exposure compensation ?

[fenykepesz]

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once in a while my m11d behaves erratically : out of the blue it just shows that tiny red dot LED flashing at the bottom in the OVF, indicating that exposure compensation (EC) is active - and indeed, by tipping at the thumb wheel, it's off by .3 or .7 or even more, plus or minus, for no reason whatsoever.  i never ever want to use EC, and i never ever use the red 'A' positions on the ISO or shutter dial.  i don't know why EC gets randomly activated here. perhaps i had inadvertently touched the thumb wheel prior to such moments ?

my problem is not so much that the EC mode is active if one could reset it easily - the annoyance is rather that in my camera's case there is at times no way to turn EC off, back to zero.  i am apparently unable to invoke that the desired thumb wheel function through rotating or pressing it in order to reset the EC value to zero.  it just keeps counting seconds or doesn't do anything.  switching off or taking out the battery for a minute is no cure for this problem.  eventually after playing for minutes nervously with that silly thumb wheel it suddenly remembers its true purpose and allows me again to adjust the EC value.  i don't know (yet) what makes this recovery in the thumb wheel behaviour happen.  i understand that pressing the thumb wheel should rotate it through various display modes, in accordance with various other parameters such as dial positions.

in any case, it would be so helpful if one could turn that thumbwheel functionality off entirely, in FOTOS for example - a feature to implement in the next firmware version ?   just like in the m10d, its wheel didn't bother me as it had no real function.  i just don't need such.

[jdlaing]

19 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

once in a while my m11d behaves erratically : out of the blue it just shows that tiny red dot LED flashing at the bottom in the OVF, indicating that exposure compensation (EC) is active - and indeed, by tipping at the thumb wheel, it's off by .3 or .7 or even more, plus or minus, for no reason whatsoever.  i never ever want to use EC, and i never ever use the red 'A' positions on the ISO or shutter dial.  i don't know why EC gets randomly activated here. perhaps i had inadvertently touched the thumb wheel prior to such moments ?

my problem is not so much that the EC mode is active if one could reset it easily - the annoyance is rather that in my camera's case there is at times no way to turn EC off, back to zero.  i am apparently unable to invoke that the desired thumb wheel function through rotating or pressing it in order to reset the EC value to zero.  it just keeps counting seconds or doesn't do anything.  switching off or taking out the battery for a minute is no cure for this problem.  eventually after playing for minutes nervously with that silly thumb wheel it suddenly remembers its true purpose and allows me again to adjust the EC value.  i don't know (yet) what makes this recovery in the thumb wheel behaviour happen.  i understand that pressing the thumb wheel should rotate it through various display modes, in accordance with various other parameters such as dial positions.

in any case, it would be so helpful if one could turn that thumbwheel functionality off entirely, in FOTOS for example - a feature to implement in the next firmware version ?   just like in the m10d, its wheel didn't bother me as it had no real function.  i just don't need such.

I think, but correct me if I’m wrong, you have to press the thumb wheel to activate exposure comp. Just turning the thumb wheel shouldn’t change it unless it’s activated.

[fenykepesz]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb jdlaing:

I think, but correct me if I’m wrong, you have to press the thumb wheel to activate exposure comp. Just turning the thumb wheel shouldn’t change it unless it’s activated.

yes, i agree, @jdlaing, i also would expect that behaviour of the thumb wheel, pressing it and then rotate to adjust EC.  but this is not always the case here.  i am not sure if its behaviour depends on the cycle position among the various wheel modes, to be cycled (switched) by pressing the wheel.  anyway, to me it looks as if the wheel is for a while frozen in a certain mode.  i begin to think about a electric contact failure inside the thum wheel mechanics...

Edited October 31, 2024 by fenykepesz

[M11 for me]

Did you press the thumb wheel twice? Then twice again? You can change from ISO setting to EC then to "no function".

Unfortunately I had to give back my M11-D . What I write above is what I think to remember from the time that I had it. 

[Robert Blanko]

I had a similar experience that the exposure compensation can be switched easily unintended.

You can only correct the exposure compensation if you have cycled to the proper mode by pressing the thumb wheel. This might be confusing.

I would have preferred a dedicated wheel like for the M10-D for the exposure compensation.

 

[fenykepesz]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb M11 for me:

Did you press the thumb wheel twice? Then twice again? You can change from ISO setting to EC then to "no function".

 

vor 8 Minuten schrieb Robert Blanko:

You can only correct the exposure compensation if you have cycled to the proper mode by pressing the thumb wheel. This might be confusing.

thank you both, @M11 for me and @Robert Blanko !  that's what i also thought, that i may be in the wrong wheel cycle position.  i actually 'fixed' it today accidentaly by pressing the wheel twice, and voilà, there were the EC values properly displayed and adjustable.  i am now going to pay more attention to this 'concept'.  thank you again for yrou feedback.

vor 12 Minuten schrieb M11 for me:

Unfortunately I had to give back my M11-D .

i am so sad for you @M11 for me - i know you also enjoyed the m11d quite a lot !

[Mahesh]

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32 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Did you press the thumb wheel twice? Then twice again? You can change from ISO setting to EC then to "no function".

Unfortunately I had to give back my M11-D . What I write above is what I think to remember from the time that I had it. 

what happened? 

[fenykepesz]

well, 'double-click' was the solution, thank you all !  double click cycles trough three thumb wheel modes (see p:45 in m11d PDF manual) with information for :

1. exposure time
2. EC
3. ISO

uff, one headache less !  leaving now house with our daughter, out to the streets for the yearly Halloween fiesta...which we will then later close with hot cioccolata.

[Smudgerer]

10 hours ago, fenykepesz said:

well, 'double-click' was the solution, thank you all !  double click cycles trough three thumb wheel modes (see p:45 in m11d PDF manual) with information for :

1. exposure time
2. EC
3. ISO

uff, one headache less !  leaving now house with our daughter, out to the streets for the yearly Halloween fiesta...which we will then later close with hot cioccolata.

This is weird. I read your other post above and thought that was great, another function that I didn't know about, ( and no of course I haven't properly read the manual, why would I change the habit of a lifetime? )..........But on trying the thumb wheel on my M11-D two clicks are not necessary, one click does the job just fine. Maybe my camera was assembled by the neighbour of your camera's technician and they thought they'd do a mod' of their own? Who cares? It works anyway just Thinks Different.

[fenykepesz]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb Smudgerer:

But on trying the thumb wheel on my M11-D two clicks are not necessary, one click does the job just fine.

perhaps a difference in firmware ?  i run here 2.1.3...?

[M11 for me]

vor 51 Minuten schrieb Smudgerer:

one click does the job just fine

Well its a bit tricky. Try the 3 options:

1) Do not press the wheel, just turn it

2) Press once and the turn

3) Press twice and the turn.

Its takes a while to get that in 😇. It took me a while anyway and I never got fully familiar with it.

Edited November 1, 2024 by M11 for me

[Smudgerer]

53 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

perhaps a difference in firmware ?  i run here 2.1.3...?

Me too.....

[M11 for me]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb fenykepesz:

we will then later close with hot cioccolata.

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