What's your priority?

[nemeng]

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1. Full frame sensor (35mm lens = 35mm coverage please)

 

2. 16-bit RAW (none of this "8-bit is just as good" nonsense)

 

3. No need for IR-Cut filters (I am surprised no one has mentioned this yet)

 

4. Body price under $US 3000

 

Until then - IMHO - these things are half-baked and way over-priced :?)

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[Frank Sprow]

1. Full frame

2. Increased dynamic range

3. Improved build quality and electromechanical functioning

[lct]

1. No mandatory filters

2. No mandatory motor

3. No mandatory coding

4. No mandatory chimping

5. Decent IR protection

6. Decent moiré protection

7. Better dynamic range

8. Full frame if compatible with the above

[Jamie Roberts]

1. No mandatory filters

2. No mandatory motor

3. No mandatory coding

4. No mandatory chimping

5. Decent IR protection

6. Decent moiré protection

7. Better dynamic range

8. Full frame if compatible with the above

 

Very interesting...can you explain some more on some of these?

 

1) You want to wind the camera by hand? Really? Or do you just need the shooting to be quieter? I don't want an optional motor, please

3) You want a menu for off-brand lenses? Or are you looking for some other way of fixing the wide vignette?

4) Seriously: you don't *have* to chimp, do you?

6) The M8 is no worse than my 5d for moire, so I'd say it already has decent protection; a nice-to-have would make it better.

[Bob Ross]

I don't see a need for this. Any device that would move/shake rattle and roll the sensor to knock the dust off is only something else that can go wrong with the camera.

Doing a good sensor cleaning take all of 10 minutes.

I suspect that the next M# will be much quieter. On par with a M3 or M7.

Hi Ed,

The dust shaker in the Oly DSLRs doesn't shake the sensor, but is a sensor cover that shakes and it really works. The problems might be more room needed = thicker body and one more glass surface in front of the sensor = not something Leica engineers like.

Bob

[Shootist]

1. No mandatory filters

2. No mandatory motor

3. No mandatory coding

4. No mandatory chimping

5. Decent IR protection

6. Decent moiré protection

7. Better dynamic range

8. Full frame if compatible with the above

1. You don't have to use filters if you don't mind the IR contamination and or shoot only B&W.

2. The motor is built in. Is that mandatory? What would you like, a thumb advance and then a ADD ON motor replacing the bottom plate? No thanks. Quieter yes.

3. You don't have to code your lenses either, especially if you're not using IR cut filters.

4. So don't chimp, what is so hard about that. I don't chimp.

5. Degradation in image quality.

6. Degradation in image quality. I know I have a D200 with a heavy AA filter.

7. Ok, I'll go for that. But from what I see in the images it isn't that bad now.

8. I don't think that will happen with present technology. Maybe down the road a piece.

[Shootist]

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Hi Ed,

The dust shaker in the Oly DSLRs doesn't shake the sensor, but is a sensor cover that shakes and it really works. The problems might be more room needed = thicker body and one more glass surface in front of the sensor = not something Leica engineers like.

Bob

Actually I haven't cleaned my sensor in weeks. Once I got over the 1000-2000 shot mark and had cleaned the sensor many times in that period to get the oil/dust spots off I haven't noticed but a few dust spots and most times they can be blown off with a Rocket blower.

I think the last time I clean it was just before I went away for thanksgiving weekend and the only reason I did it then was just to make sure I started out with a clean sensor.

[lct]

Very interesting...can you explain some more on some of these?

1) You want to wind the camera by hand? Really? Or do you just need the shooting to be quieter? I don't want an optional motor, please

3) You want a menu for off-brand lenses? Or are you looking for some other way of fixing the wide vignette?

4) Seriously: you don't *have* to chimp, do you?

6) The M8 is no worse than my 5d for moire, so I'd say it already has decent protection; a nice-to-have would make it better.

1. I don't want mandatory filters.

2. I don't want mandatory motors, too noisy for me. If the only alternative is manual winding i prefer the latter by far. Works fine with film Ms and R-D1 BTW.

3. I don't want mandatory coding. In most cases, modern microlenses and a bit of PP are enough for me. In other cases, i want to have the choice.

4. I don't want mandatory chimping for changing iso or anything else.

5. I want a decent IR protection.

6. I want a decent moiré protection. The moiré i've got myself and i've seen here and elsewhere is unacceptable to me.

[jaapv]

Ehhh...

-70% of the time it is unproblematic to shoot without filters

-I would like a bit quieter camera as well, but would never opt for a mechanical rewind

-Coding isn't mandatory, in fact, imo from 35 upwards it is superfluous, and under that, well, there's always Cornerfix.

-I see, you mean using a menu when you say chimping. Well, I don't want a phletora of separate buttons for each function.

-I prefer good image quality over a quibble about the placement of the IR filter. It must be somewhere in the light path end whether in front of the lens or in front of the sensor is moot.

-If you don't want moire you'll have to forego digital - shoot film.

[lct]

1. You don't have to use filters if you don't mind the IR contamination and or shoot only B&W.

2. The motor is built in. Is that mandatory? What would you like, a thumb advance and then a ADD ON motor replacing the bottom plate? No thanks. Quieter yes.

3. You don't have to code your lenses either, especially if you're not using IR cut filters.

4. So don't chimp, what is so hard about that. I don't chimp.

5. Degradation in image quality.

6. Degradation in image quality. I know I have a D200 with a heavy AA filter.

7. Ok, I'll go for that. But from what I see in the images it isn't that bad now.

8. I don't think that will happen with present technology. Maybe down the road a piece.

Hey folks i came here to respond to the OP not to rain on others parade so i don't mind to elaborate a bit more if you really don't see what i mean but it will be enough after that.

1. I don't want mandatory filters. Excessive IR sensibility is a defect that will disappear with the M9 hopefully.

2. I don't want mandatory motors. Same response as above. Too noisy for me. If the only alternative is manual winding i prefer the latter by far. Works fine with film Ms and R-D1.

3. I don't want mandatory coding. If it is necessary to avoid cyan shift it is mandatory i don't know a better word.

4. I don't want mandatory chimping. Try to change iso otherwise.

5. I want a decent IR protection. Do you really think it will degrade image quality with the M9? If so i will stay away from the latter i'm afraid. Now i'm confident that Leica will do as well or better than Epson which IQ i like much personally.

6. I want a decent moiré protection. It does degrade image quality to such an extent that it is a shame in my opinion.

7. I want a better dynamic range as far as possible but i can live without it so far.

8. I'd like to have full frame but it is only my 8th choice. In fact i'd prefer avoid if it causes new problems that can't be handled succesfully by Leica.

[ChrisC]

Dynamic range. Always needing more dynamic range - it's a large part of why negative film is so remarkable as a capture medium.

 

And if for no better reason than I've been drooling like a giddy git over Lee Friedlander's more recent 6x6 rollfilm images on the Fraenkel Gallery website;

 

http://www.fraenkelgallery.com/index.php

 

....... how about a square sensor to get the most out of lens image-circles.

 

Damn, forgot where I was - far too radical. Oh well, treat yourselves and go and enjoy the master's genius anyway.

 

.............. Chris

[dalippe]

So if you had a choice in the next M digital which would you pick.

 

1. 18-22MP, same dynamic range (about 8-9 stops), 1 more stop in ISO performance (good 1250 ISO).

 

2. 10-12MP, more dynamic range (12 stops), 2 or 3 stops more in ISO performance (good 3200 ISO)

 

With an available light camera where you are often presented with scenes where the light is beautiful, dramatic and way beyond the range of the sensor. I'll take dynamic range over any thing else. Resolution is adequate and image quality is already outstanding.

 

My order of priorities for improvements in a next sensor:

 

1. more dynamic range

2. better ISO performance

3. More resolution

 

This is about changes in the sensor not reliability, AWB consistency or 16 bit files. Curious about what forum members would value most for the next step up. What say you?

 

2,1,3 for me.

 

David

[openwheel]

As long as we're going to drift from the original poster's question, I vote for mechanical (ala film cameras) asa/ev and exposure compensation dials. And increased dynamic range. And 14 bit color or better.

[sean_reid]

Very interesting...can you explain some more on some of these?

 

1) You want to wind the camera by hand? Really? Or do you just need the shooting to be quieter? I don't want an optional motor, please

3) You want a menu for off-brand lenses? Or are you looking for some other way of fixing the wide vignette?

4) Seriously: you don't *have* to chimp, do you?

6) The M8 is no worse than my 5d for moire, so I'd say it already has decent protection; a nice-to-have would make it better.

 

Hiya Jamie,

 

What's an "off brand" lens?

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

[Artorius]

I'd say keep it as it is but, more DR and better high ISO. 10 Mgs is fine for what I do, mostly 13X19(Super A3?). I have got a couple of 20X24" that are fantistic. The camreas MPs for me is fine, just give me more DR.

I'd like better jpg compression and an auto WB solution also, but I work with what I have until Leica gives me something I will jump on.

[Maggie_O]

I'd welcome more DR and better high ISO performance, for sure.

 

I'd also be on board with a mandatory chimp. Buy an M9 and and you get a free chimp. Or, better yet an orangutan! Yeah! That'd be sweeeeet.

[marknorton]

I think it's clear that an M9 doesn't make any sense until there's new sensor technology available which will potentially address:

 

-Crop

[marknorton]

I think it's clear that an M9 doesn't make sense until new sensor technology is available which will have the potential to improve some or all of:

 

- Crop factor

- IR sensitivity

- Moire

- ISO

- Dynamic range

- Resolution

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[Guest stnami]

1. No mandatory filters

 

followed by one of the funniest responses for some time....not the ha ha type though:)

 

1. You don't have to use filters if you don't mind the IR contamination and or shoot only B&W.

[lxlim]

 

 

1. more dynamic range

2. better ISO performance

3. More resolution

 

 

Same set of priorities for myself