David Cohen on YouTube: Final Thoughts: Leica D-Lux 8

[ceflynn]

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Final Thoughts: Leica D-Lux 8  (Video: 8 min. 10 sec.)

Edited July 22, 2024 by ceflynn

[Le Chef]

To paraphrase: "I never used the DL-7 so did not know about these features. I don't care if the camera has them or not. I don't miss them because I never had them." 

So yet another baseless "Expert" opinion that has no context for potential buyers to understand what the missing features might mean for their style of photography. It's a shame the "reviewer" has nothing better to do than pontificate in front of a video camera about something he can't be bothered to understand, rather than going out and using both the DL-7 and the DL-8 to show what the differences might mean in practice. Shame.

[SrMi]

Many DL-8 owners will be first-time owners; they will not miss those features either. 

 

[Le Chef]

46 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Many DL-8 owners will be first-time owners; they will not miss those features either. 

 

You can’t say that as you don’t know the loyalty rate of sale vs acquisition rate. But you would recommend that Leica turn away from a significant number of DL-5, DL-6, DL-109 and DL-7 owners who might choose to trade up to a DL-8? That seems like a very bad business proposition.

Edited July 23, 2024 by Le Chef

[SrMi]

28 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

You can’t say that as you don’t know the loyalty rate of sale vs acquisition rate. But you would recommend that Leica turn away from a significant number of DL-5, DL-6, DL-109 and DL-7 owners who might choose to trade up to a DL-8? That seems like a very bad business proposition.

You assume that the previous D-Lux owners cared about that zoom feature. Based on my singular experience, that is not the case. Based on several posters who complained here, it seems to be the case. I don’t know, people with complaints post more.

I am reading regularly from new D-Lux 8 owners that it is their first Leica. The video posted was from a first time D-Lux owner. I do not think that should disqualify his opinion.

[Smudgerer]

Tried out a D-Lux 8 yesterday...............I really wanted to like this camera, and to be fair there's quite I bit to satisfy one if you didn't have an alternative already in your kit........Well I do, I have a Lumix DMC-GX8 that's getting on in digital years now perhaps but when I side by side it with the new D-Lux 8 it still is easily the better choice for me, interchangeable MFT lenses, flip up VF and fully orient-able LCD screen, an older sensor maybe but still roughly the mp output and a decent enough "look" to it..........And frankly there's nothing wrong with the GX8 when you compare built quality with the Leica compact cameras, plus the software / firmware has been rock solid since I bought it. It is a bit larger than the D-Lux 8 of course but with a prime lens on, ( I much prefer using primes over a built-in zoom like on the D-Lux 8 that pushes out from a camera body which I find an awkward look, but there are some excellent MFT zooms available for the GX8 ), it easily is large pocket-able or drops into a camera bag well as a back-up alongside my M choice of the day. The D-Lux 8 is nicely thought out and put together, but lacking when compared with other choices out there I feel, a pity......Nice effort though.

[Le Chef]

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11 hours ago, SrMi said:

Based on my singular experience,

The point I’m making is to look beyond the singular experience, which neither you or the blog poster do. It’s important for Leica to have as many current owners of the DL series buy the new DL-8. Loyalty is important and may lead to those owners “buying up” to a Q series or even an M series camera. You can’t just rely on new owners to make the model successful. So if you ignore the wishes of current owners and that they’re being put off by the missing features, you have lost a loyal customer. And that’s not good for business.

[Foxtwo]

It’s just a camera boys, don’t get your undies in a bunch over something over which we have no control. We can send in a feature request, but it’s not our job to manage Leica from afar.

[Rokkor]

Am 23.7.2024 um 10:11 schrieb Smudgerer:

Tried out a D-Lux 8 yesterday...............I really wanted to like this camera, and to be fair there's quite I bit to satisfy one if you didn't have an alternative already in your kit........Well I do, I have a Lumix DMC-GX8 that's getting on in digital years now perhaps but when I side by side it with the new D-Lux 8 it still is easily the better choice for me, interchangeable MFT lenses, flip up VF and fully orient-able LCD screen, an older sensor maybe but still roughly the mp output and a decent enough "look" to it..........And frankly there's nothing wrong with the GX8 when you compare built quality with the Leica compact cameras, plus the software / firmware has been rock solid since I bought it. It is a bit larger than the D-Lux 8 of course but with a prime lens on, ( I much prefer using primes over a built-in zoom like on the D-Lux 8 that pushes out from a camera body which I find an awkward look, but there are some excellent MFT zooms available for the GX8 ), it easily is large pocket-able or drops into a camera bag well as a back-up alongside my M choice of the day. The D-Lux 8 is nicely thought out and put together, but lacking when compared with other choices out there I feel, a pity......Nice effort though.

Thanks for sharing. What are the instances when you take your MFT camera instead of a full frame M? Do you miss Bokeh or shallow DOF using MFT?

[Smudgerer]

1 hour ago, Rokkor said:

Thanks for sharing. What are the instances when you take your MFT camera instead of a full frame M? Do you miss Bokeh or shallow DOF using MFT?

Hello, the MFT GX8, ( or even an Olympus Pen EE 1/2 frame at times ), I just throw into the bag or pocket when I just want a simple back-up camera for basically "snap-shot" use. Regarding bokeh/shallow DOF looks that's never been something that's too high on my wish list no matter what camera I am using, the image and the moment being what I try to strive for first.............But anyway MFT is a great format and there's a wealth of really good lenses out there so that's the main reason for me that my GX8 is still a better choice over the D-Lux 8 which as I said I wanted to like, but found lacking for my needs.

[Rokkor]

vor 47 Minuten schrieb Smudgerer:

Hello, the MFT GX8, ( or even an Olympus Pen EE 1/2 frame at times ), I just throw into the bag or pocket when I just want a simple back-up camera for basically "snap-shot" use. Regarding bokeh/shallow DOF looks that's never been something that's too high on my wish list no matter what camera I am using, the image and the moment being what I try to strive for first.............But anyway MFT is a great format and there's a wealth of really good lenses out there so that's the main reason for me that my GX8 is still a better choice over the D-Lux 8 which as I said I wanted to like, but found lacking for my needs.

Thank you. That makes sense and I assume MFT would still be better than iPhone Pro, which is nowadays in Apple Pro Raw quite stunning in terms of image quality coming from a phone with Leica Lux also having a nice emulation of Leica look.

[Smudgerer]

1 hour ago, Rokkor said:

Thank you. That makes sense and I assume MFT would still be better than iPhone Pro, which is nowadays in Apple Pro Raw quite stunning in terms of image quality coming from a phone with Leica Lux also having a nice emulation of Leica look.

You're welcome Rokkor, I hope I helped in some small way. Having dumped iPhone/"smart 'phone" use / addiction some years ago I don't know how good or otherwise that imaging can be, I am sure that it's fine with all the algorithms that they apply to it's output, but as a confirmed Photographic Luddite now I prefer to carry a real camera for photography and not a "crack-phone" with all the baggage that comes with.

[2M6TTLs]

If first time users have ever used a zoom lens on any other camera of course they are going to miss being able to pre-set the focal length. Powered zooming on a camera with a clumsy lever has never been a good idea on compact cameras and there's no need for it when you easily set a zoom ring manually in less time. Leica can design cameras however they like BUT deserves the criticism for not thinking about this.

[2M6TTLs]

On 7/23/2024 at 5:12 AM, Le Chef said:

To paraphrase: "I never used the DL-7 so did not know about these features. I don't care if the camera has them or not. I don't miss them because I never had them." 

So yet another baseless "Expert" opinion that has no context for potential buyers to understand what the missing features might mean for their style of photography. It's a shame the "reviewer" has nothing better to do than pontificate in front of a video camera about something he can't be bothered to understand, rather than going out and using both the DL-7 and the DL-8 to show what the differences might mean in practice. Shame.

One of those annoying videos where the speaker spends four or five minutes thanking people and telling us what he is NOT going to talk about and then says little about the actual camera in question but just informs about which specific cameras he has bought and used. The point is?